Boats, beaches and bears - video

dylanwinter said:
sorry - I thought we were talking about killing bears

Dylan
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Funny, I though we were talking about 2 sailors living sustainable lifestyles. They eat meat, it just seems that you have an issue with the type of meat. Either be vegetarian, or accept that meat sources vary depending where you are.

On which basis, I do not consider that the horror of an abattoir is any better or worse that shooting a free ranging wild animal.
 
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The controversy here is that it was a bear that was killed and eaten. Had it been a deer or a rabbit I guess that very few comments,if any,would have been made. I feel a little uneasy about commenting because I couldn't bring myself to watch them kill the bear and heeded the warning and stopped the video after the fishing trip.
Would it have been ok for them to kill and eat a tiger? or a dog? or maybe a horse? OK it was in Alaska but I hope the point has been made.
I'm guessing that of all the available living meat, they didn't actually have to choose a bear.
I will never know, but if I were starving and the only available food was a bear, I hope that I'd figure it had as much right to life as me and that I wouldn't kill it and maybe I'd succumb to starvation. I know I wouldn't feel that way about a deer in that situation, it just doesn't seem right to kill creatures like bears.
This planet would be paradise without the humans.
 
pyrojames said:
Funny, I though we were talking about 2 sailors living sustainable lifestyles. They eat meat, it just seems that you have an issue with the type of meat. Either be vegetarian, or accept that meat sources vary depending where you are.

On which basis, I do not consider that the horror of an abattoir is any better or worse that shooting a free ranging wild animal.
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Hi Pyrojames,
That's the point, are we talking about 2 sailors living sustainable lifestyles, or are we talking about 2 people who went out on an entertaining hunting trip. These people were not local, They did not live in the environment were they took the food. For people who care about the environment it is offensive to fill your boat/car/caravan/camper with a years supply of food and head home and drop the remains of at the local taxidermist.
If we are saying it is ok to do the above, well why don't we all head of to the wilderness and and fill our freezers with cheap meat and fish, sod the environment. I note the sailors were not so happy when they found themselves in a bay with other visitors.
It clearly is a difference of opinion. personally, I think they showed a lack of respect after the killing. I think they showed juvenile tendencies by implying it made their day in response to a written opinion.

My understanding now is bear hunting is legal(subject to conditions) On this basis it was a Hunt, it was in no way living a sustainable lifestyle. I would not condone any form of hunting unless their was a specific need. In my opinion a need did not exist. I have read the 2 sailors comments, and I now have a distinct dislike towards them. I think they are ignorant, sad and I hope their boat sinks. Good hunting craft, but hardly a sustainable lifestyle.

Steveeasy
 
pyrojames said:
Funny, I though we were talking about 2 sailors living sustainable lifestyles. They eat meat, it just seems that you have an issue with the type of meat. Either be vegetarian, or accept that meat sources vary depending where you are.

On which basis, I do not consider that the horror of an abattoir is any better or worse that shooting a free ranging wild animal.
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you did watch the film didn't you

where the bear got shot once, screamed in agony and then got shot a second time

six weeks in an abertoir and I never saw an animal need a second shot from the captive bolt killer

ffs use some comon sense
 
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From friends that used to work in an abattoir, they said that all the animals could sense what was coming, so not "humane". A bear being shot twice is no better or worse than an animal waiting its turn for the bolt. Dying is never going to nice for the dead and if you think you have a perfect way to kill you are entirely deluded.

Is it that it is a bear or the nature of the killing that is the problem? Common sense is judging the circumstances in relation to ones own impact on the world. My impact is not extreme but it is also not sustainable, just like 99% of the "civilised world. The most sustainable society was the Australian aboriginals until the English turned up. They hunted, they took what they needed and didn't let anything go to waste.

I find it extraordinary that those that are so anti the killing, resort to personal abuse and swearing at other posters. It makes me seriously wonder how careful their assessment of the situation is.
 
pyrojames said:
From friends that used to work in an abattoir, they said that all the animals could sense what was coming, so not "humane". A bear being shot twice is no better or worse than an animal waiting its turn for the bolt. Dying is never going to nice for the dead and if you think you have a perfect way to kill you are entirely deluded.

Is it that it is a bear or the nature of the killing that is the problem? Common sense is judging the circumstances in relation to ones own impact on the world. My impact is not extreme but it is also not sustainable, just like 99% of the "civilised world. The most sustainable society was the Australian aboriginals until the English turned up. They hunted, they took what they needed and didn't let anything go to waste.

I find it extraordinary that those that are so anti the killing, resort to personal abuse and swearing at other posters. It makes me seriously wonder how careful their assessment of the situation is.
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brilliant

really going to the wilds and killing bears is, as my mother used to say, "not nice"

not nice people
 
foeu said:
The controversy here is that it was a bear that was killed and eaten. Had it been a deer or a rabbit I guess that very few comments,if any,would have been made. I feel a little uneasy about commenting because I couldn't bring myself to watch them kill the bear and heeded the warning and stopped the video after the fishing trip.
Would it have been ok for them to kill and eat a tiger? or a dog? or maybe a horse? OK it was in Alaska but I hope the point has been made.
I'm guessing that of all the available living meat, they didn't actually have to choose a bear.
I will never know, but if I were starving and the only available food was a bear, I hope that I'd figure it had as much right to life as me and that I wouldn't kill it and maybe I'd succumb to starvation. I know I wouldn't feel that way about a deer in that situation, it just doesn't seem right to kill creatures like bears.
This planet would be paradise without the humans.
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We chose to shoot the bear because they are plentiful in our area, and delicious. We don't have many open hunt opportunities where we live, and most of the other species have draw tags for.
 
steveeasy said:
Hi Pyrojames,
That's the point, are we talking about 2 sailors living sustainable lifestyles, or are we talking about 2 people who went out on an entertaining hunting trip. These people were not local, They did not live in the environment were they took the food. For people who care about the environment it is offensive to fill your boat/car/caravan/camper with a years supply of food and head home and drop the remains of at the local taxidermist.
If we are saying it is ok to do the above, well why don't we all head of to the wilderness and and fill our freezers with cheap meat and fish, sod the environment. I note the sailors were not so happy when they found themselves in a bay with other visitors.
It clearly is a difference of opinion. personally, I think they showed a lack of respect after the killing. I think they showed juvenile tendencies by implying it made their day in response to a written opinion.

My understanding now is bear hunting is legal(subject to conditions) On this basis it was a Hunt, it was in no way living a sustainable lifestyle. I would not condone any form of hunting unless their was a specific need. In my opinion a need did not exist. I have read the 2 sailors comments, and I now have a distinct dislike towards them. I think they are ignorant, sad and I hope their boat sinks. Good hunting craft, but hardly a sustainable lifestyle.

Steveeasy
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You don't think we are local? We have lived in Alaska for years, and harvested those bears roughly 9-20 miles away as the crow flies. So yeh, I think we live in the environment.

We "filled the boat with food" and then came back to our house, where we have a freezer, where we stored the meat and ate it as we wanted to.

And yes, we weren't very happy when we were in a filled bay because Alaska is still remote, and we don't have crowded anchorages. That is why we love it here. It is still wild.

You dislike us, and that's OK. Just, please, don't continue to defame our character by making accusations (hunting for just the sport, not living here, etc.). And, don't call us juvenile, and then say you hope our boat sinks. Kind of hypocritical, don't you think?
 
dylanwinter said:
you did watch the film didn't you

where the bear got shot once, screamed in agony and then got shot a second time

six weeks in an abertoir and I never saw an animal need a second shot from the captive bolt killer

ffs use some comon sense
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Uhm, not sure you watched our movie either. We shot the bears ONCE. And they didn't scream. They died instantly.

Again, why do you proceed in making accusations that are simply not remotely true?
 
I had seen the films some time ago and found them interesting.

I am a Pescetarian, 40ish years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescetarianism

Pescetarianism is the practice of following a diet that includes fish or other seafood, but not the flesh of other animals.

Live in the Scottish Highlands where a huge part of the economy is Fishing, Shooting and Hunting deer, stags, etc by tourists.

I have no problem with that. Someone kills my fish and prawns and such. Have eaten Flying Fish in the Pacific Ocean.

Once saw a guy with a "Save the Whales" T shirt on, he killed a wasp. I was horrified. I kill nothing (cept fish :<)

Aussie they eat grubs and insects. At Channory Point where I sail there are often hundreds of tourist watching the Dolphins.
Why not eat Dolphins?? They are eating all the Salmon in the Moray Firth.

P.S. I have a cat, Sukie the little black bitch, who I have to give smelly meat to and she often brings dead mice into my boat and house.
I am going to kill the bitch.

Photo taken by me on the Conon River, Ross-shire

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interesting thread,

unless you’re a vegetarian the film is very true. they shoot/ fish/hunt/trap, and eat in most parts of the world. ( lobsterpots) I am sure that they never wish the animal to have any suffering. in Europe we like our food packaged nicely and presented to us fresh but cleaned, with a label that saying " no harm was brought to the animal during the killing process" i am sure channel 4/5 have documentaries to the contrary. but we turn a blind eye ( think the horse scare)

My partner loves horses she hack nearly every day, the horse goes in to a stable at night, it has more horse blankets than me. I tell her they are pack animals and should be in the fields running wild. she goes to the supermarket and buys nicely packed food because it looks nice.

Having live in many counties over the years some in posh hotels, some as you like living, I can see the need to hunt and eat and I can see the reason for the supermarket. Either way I don’t mind as long as I can eat, providing no-one or thing has suffered, I don’t have time for sports hunting and I live in the countryside….! But a different topic altogether, Spend a few years outside of the normal and your view will change,

As for the film, it was ok, and you hunted bears, you killed them because you were going to eat them.

Open question

Does a lobster suffer when you put it in boiling water if so how long for?
 
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