Boatfolk contract time in ol Northern Ireland

Fire99

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Looks like you and the other berth holders are being properly done over. :mad:
As a comparison Looking at last years renewal I got a 10% discount for payment before 31st December so worth pre pay by 3 months.
Yep looks that way.. (in my opinion of course). I'm trying to raise it with the council who own the marina and we'll see if that gains any form of traction..
 

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Cheers Croftie.. In the past the marina has offered around this time a discount on next years annual contract if renewed around this time.. Around 3% seems to ring a bell. Last year due to the contract malarkey (it was already known that the contract was up for tender last year), Bangor's deal was delayed until January this year where we got a slight discount on an annual contract if we renewed before the end of Jan. And then we come to now and the only thing consistent with 'offers' in the past is the timing. This one isn't an offer as such for the berth holder at all..

Just to rub salt in the wound, the harbourmaster sent out the offer again yesterday (I'm guessing there hasn't been very much uptake on it) clarifying the points I raised with him (specifically stating this time that it is 70% of the annual rate for 6 months.. I'm not sure if that is the exact figure but it was the approx. that I sent to him and now he's used it in his broadcast email. :D , and the fact the winter rate is only guaranteed if boatfolk get the contract (a negotiation tactic to the council perhaps? ) ..
The sting is a footnote has been added this time saying if we don't take the offer before Oct1st there will be an inflationary increase in the rate and then another inflationary increase before next year's contract begins.. I can't say if it was intentional to sound like a threat but if it wasn't it was very clumsy. Well it certainly ruffled my feathers..
An inflationary increase? I'd say 40% is already an inflationary increase. Cheeky and innumerate, what a combination, they're trying to stitch you up like kippers.
 

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An inflationary increase? I'd say 40% is already an inflationary increase. Cheeky and innumerate, what a combination, they're trying to stitch you up like kippers.
Looks something like that. I've aired my grievances with the council that owns the marina so we shall see what transpires. Never a dull moment in boaty land. :cool:
 

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70% of the annual rate for 50% of the year is 40% uplift pro rata.
Sorry but that is not. It is complete wishful thinking to expect the 6 months of summer to cost the same as 6 months in winter.
I calculated the 6 month winter berth is 29% of the annual rate in our marina. So 70% of annual rate for the summer months is very fair.

If the OP can get an equivalent marina berth for April to September for 50% of the annual fee he should grab that quick.
 

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Sorry but that is not. It is complete wishful thinking to expect the 6 months of summer to cost the same as 6 months in winter.
I calculated the 6 month winter berth is 29% of the annual rate in our marina. So 70% of annual rate for the summer months is very fair.

If the OP can get an equivalent marina berth for April to September for 50% of the annual fee he should grab that quick.
I hear what you are saying. If we were looking for a 'summer only' I would expect a rate somewhere around this but it's far more complicated than that. Annual berth holders want annual rates. Yes this is an unusal situation but it's not been sprung on Boatfolk. They have known for a long time about this and annual berth holders were to some way assured of a deal that would work for all of us. (pro-rata-ing the rate based on the annual rate was banded about). Boatfolk decided to extend their contract by 6 months to 'help' in the transition. By doing so, treating annual berthholders as summer rate customers isn't right.. and to give us 3 weeks notice to pay 6 months in advance, you wouldn't even have to do that as a summer rate customer!! As my Grandad always told me in business for any deal to be a good deal it has to be beneficial and mostly acceptable to both parties.

The other issue you have to consider is that in normal summer rate situations, there is also a winter rate which you know should you wish to stay on at the marina.. Here we have a 'summer rate -ish' paid 6 months in advance and a winter rate that is completely unknown and at the mercy of whoever takes on the contract. There are lots of complications that go way beyond what you could argue is a simple 'summer rate' which really requires a degree of shift towards the berth holder. There is zero shift.
 
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