Boat Shipping to Med

[Magnum]

As a result of some fairly negative comments about boat shipping I thought I'd start a new thread about it.

It's looking fairly likely that the P67 will be heading south between September and November this year. I've asked Princess to give me a quote and here it is :-

Vessel dimensions - 20.75x5.23m, 35MT
To Gibraltar €24,500
To Palma €25,500
Insurance - 0.25% of boats value with 1% excess

I have no idea what is involved in detail other than it's a "water to water" basis. Dunno if that means I deliver to port of departure and collect as dropped off ship at other end.

Does anyone have first hand experience of this kind of service? Good/bad, damage, reliability? Alternative methods? /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[jfm]

We did this exactly a year ago.

You get told approcximately when the ship will be in the docks (Southampton I guess) when you book. Then a few days before they confirm exact date. You have to be ready. They call you on mobile, you drive your boat to the ship, alongside, then step off onto the ship, and they crane it on and lash to deck. You can hang around on ship till all lashed down, and you lock up your boat and dont givem a key

Then they call you 36 hours before docking tother end, and you fly down and meet it at docks. You board ship, they crane your boat in, then you jump on to your boat and drive off. You get some passes to get into docks.

You cannot fail to be there, else massive cost/trouble. Or you can hire a captain

I liked the service as the boat wasn't disassembled at all. We paid for a custom cover as the boat would have got pretty dirty. £1000. Drift covers, Bournemouth, will do this and come and fit the cover at Southampton, after your boat has been craned on the ship. Also try to insist on loading on port side of ship, as we did. Because Biscay weather comes from West.

Your cost seems high. Which company? We paid £11k for a slightly smaller boat to Genoa. Or was it £13k. I forget. Insurance seems right - we paid £2k

Ours was all fine, no damage, much better than road. Your size boat wil be damaged by road, you have to use ship imho.

But in contrast tcm booked a ship and it was several weeks late. So you need a cancel-with-money-back clause if they are more than say 3 weeks late.

We (and tcm) used yachtshipping. The other big firm is peters and May

Here's us loading at start of trip

And 10 days later in sunny Genoa /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

[compie1]

Magnum,

Road transport still possible ?

If yes you can take your P67 over the channel and take a good yacht transporter from Cherbourg or Nieuwpoort to Port Napoleon and than drive it yourself to Mallorca, fun in med sailing from south of France to Mallorca...

Devriendt-Hansmar is a Belgian Yachttransport firm wich are very reliable, have lots of friends whom used them for years without problems but i think departure from Nieuwpoort ( next to Dunkerque) is used by them. would save you +-3/4 of the price you got from Princess... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[DERF]

Magnum,

Not sure I'd want to pay 25K to get my boat to the Med! why not have a skipper deliver it to the Med, or take it there al la TCM

The boat is certainly big enough to do it comfortably, and if you leave earlier in the year you will surely have favourable weather windows. All this garbage about ware and tear to the boat is just that. So it'll put a few more hours on, but thats a good thing for these big diesels.

In fact you could have a skipper do the Torquay - La Coruna leg, and you pick up the boat at La Coruna and do the rest yourself.

I read some time ago about three blokes who took a Cranchi 34 to Spain.. took them 3 weeks without rushing..just think of the fantastic experience too!

 

[jfm]

Road vs Ship

Compie I suspect many of the road transport firms are quality operators but a machine as big as Magnum 2 is gonna get scuffed and busted on trees. The cops and local authorities will not let the truck on some of the motorway sections and they will force it to take small backroads at night. The chances of damage are high.

Also the props and rudders will get taken off, and all the flybridge including possiblly the crane will all get disassembled, and you have little quality control about the rebuild and re white-siliconing of it all. Rebuild is a big job, eg the rudders go back in, tillers reattached, autopilt ram and indicator all reattached. There is loads that can go wrong and you either leave it to someone hoping it's ok or you waste 2 - 3 days valuable time in a boat yard in Napolean or whatever supervising them.

Imho moving a 67footer - especially a pride-and-joy brand new one - is a whole different ball game from say a 40footer and ship transport is the only way to do it - all imho

I think some of the princess price can be cut out by booking direct with yachtshippjng (zevenstar) or peters and may

 

[Magnum]

jfm, dunno who Princess use but I did also get a quote from YachtShipping - €24,000 to Gibraltar and specifically mentions no VAT. Not sure if there would be VAT to pay to Palma. Either way a similar price to the Princess quote.

When you say £11K for a slightly smaller boat you might just want to compare the weight. Here's a comparison :-

P67 - 20.75x5.23m, 35MT
SQ58 - 17.92x4.85, 23.9MT

Weight must be relevant as it was one of the first questions they asked me.

What about draining the silencers and refilling? Plenty of time to do that without the boat drifting all over the place?

 

[Magnum]

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In fact you could have a skipper do the Torquay - La Coruna leg, and you pick up the boat at La Coruna and do the rest yourself.

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Hmm, this option seems surprisingly appealing.

 

[Magnum]

But is it cheaper?

So a ship to Palma is €25K or about £17.5K + £3K insurance + £1K for a cover. Let's call it £22K. Seems a lot.

Taking her myself - I reckon it's about 1600 miles from Torquay to Palma, give or take a 100 either way. The MAN 1100's will burn 90 gallons per hour at 2100RPM http://www.man-mec.com/V10-1100%20specs.htm and will push her along at about 28 knots. So that means she's burn about 5142 gallons or 23348 litres. Could fill her up in UK (4000 litres) at about 35p and rest at prolly an average of 70p so total fuel cost would be £14943. That's in ideal conditions too. Add flights for crew, food, beer and other misc costs and I reckon it would be more like £17K.

All of a sudden the shipping price doesn't look that expensive, all things considered.

 

[DERF]

Re: But is it cheaper?

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and will push her along at about 28 knots. So that means she's burn about 5142 gallons or 23348 litres.

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28 knts is a little ambitious me thinks... More like 20 -22 knts on a journey like that.... so I recon your fuel usage would in fact be considerably less more like 50 -60 gal@ 1700 - 1800rpm. I get 24 knts @ 1800 rmp on my D12's

I agree its never going to be tuppence, but it will be at least 30 - 40% cheaper and you will have the advantage of using the boat, sea miles, and an adventure to boot!

 

[aswade]

Not the cheapest option, and they only take on yachts in Cherbourg near South Coast of UK, (can deliver to Palma and Toulouse I think) but if you are concerned about damage to your pride and joy, these guys are the best- used by megayachts all the time. They are the ones chosen to transport irreplaceable yachts like classic America's Cup yachts and such across the pond most of the time.

Dockwise Yacht Transport

www.yacht-transport.com

Their ships submerge themselves like floating dry docks so that you drive your boat right into the docking bay where they are attached with custom cradles so no craning involved and ergo less chance of damage.

You can even have crew stay aboard during transit, they will provide electricity, water and waste hookups. I know owners who routinely use Dockwise and send the boat across the Atlantic or through the Panama Canal with a skeleton crew aboard. Maybe you could rent out the berths aboard to forumites for passage to the Med and recoup some of your transport costs!

 

[kindredspirit]

I've used "Yacht Shipping" Spain to Southampton.

No problems. Boat arrived in perfect shape and on time.

But in your case, with that cost, I would take it around myself. The experience would be fantastic and I would spend a little time in the Rias of Galicia on the way.

 

[Tiger Rag]

Magnum,

Just a thought, as I am based permanently in Palma, I would be happy to meet her off the ship and stick her on a berth for you if that is any help.

Regards,

Russell.

 

[Magnum]

Re: But is it cheaper?

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28 knts is a little ambitious me thinks... More like 20 -22 knts on a journey like that.... so I recon your fuel usage would in fact be considerably less more like 50 -60 gal@ 1700 - 1800rpm. I get 24 knts @ 1800 rmp on my D12's

I agree its never going to be tuppence, but it will be at least 30 - 40% cheaper and you will have the advantage of using the boat, sea miles, and an adventure to boot!

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Yep, 28 knots is ambitious. Let's look at the costs at lower speeds.

1600 miles

At 2100rpm/28knots - 338 litres/hour - Total fuel 19314 litres
At 1800rpm/20knots - 218 litres/hour - Total fuel 17440 litres

Saving 1874 litres at 70p = £1312

Total trip cost is now approx £15,700.

Hmm, yes that is a saving. Who's up for it then? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Magnum]

Russell, that's very kind of you to offer.

 

[Renegade_Master]

Hi Magnum If you would like us to meet her at Gib please let me know. Also could take her to Palma if you wished. Regards Clive

 

[Magnum]

Thanks for the offer Clive.

 

[itsonlymoney]

If you change your mind about the med, and decide to bring her to Windermere I would be happy to take delivery and maybe give her a test run up to Ambleside /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Just a thought....

 

[Magnum]

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If you change your mind about the med, and decide to bring her to Windermere I would be happy to take delivery and maybe give her a test run up to Ambleside /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Just a thought....

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Windermere was an option but I would have been racked with guilt about my wash /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

[MedDreamer]

Hi Magnum

I did this twelve months ago and will reply in detail with my experience (overall not a`happy one) later today - I'm in meetings until late afternoon.

It wasn't all bad though - I used Peters and May (Vicky I believe) and they were excellent - have you asked them for a quote?

Martyn

 

[longjohnsilver]

Who\'s up for it

Well, depending upon when and my work commitments I would be interested. If you do decide that's the way to go then bear me in mind. Would like to have gone with Matt but couldn't spare the time at the moment. I think what he's doing is great, he's got the time and inclination, it's all an adventure which surely what boating is all about.