Boat Registration

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Barnac1e said:
An interesting extract from that page:
"Should you have a certificate of competence to drive your boat on seas or in case your boat cannot reach the speed of 20 km/h, opt for the Dutch flag on www.pavillon-hollandais.com.
Easier and faster application! (Your Dutch flag certificate can be issued within 2 weeks !"​
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From their page
19.10.2012 Notice that it is not possible to get a radio license and MMSI number anymore if the boat is not navigating in the Dutch waters
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Bet that will cause problems in the long run?
 
Barnac1e said:
An interesting extract from that page:
"Should you have a certificate of competence to drive your boat on seas or in case your boat cannot reach the speed of 20 km/h, opt for the Dutch flag on www.pavillon-hollandais.com.
Easier and faster application! (Your Dutch flag certificate can be issued within 2 weeks !"​
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There is a hidden difficulty with the Dutch flag: at the present time, the Dutch Radio Licensing Authority will not deliver licenses (nor MMSI numbers) to boats sailing outside of Dutch waters, they require Dutch residency or proof of an annual mooring contract with a Dutch marina.
They also require the licensee to hold an SRC, the UK one is valid but the equivalent from some other countries are not.




Edit
Stingo was quick :)
 
Roberto said:
Just for info for who has the boat abroad or foreign registered:
I enquired about registering Part1 my boat, based in France, currently under French Flag.
Tonnage and measurement + cat2 coding (based on one successful visit) about £2000.
Of course coding is not necessary for Part1 so the the fee for the simple tonnage should be somewhat less, bearing in mind that the surveyors travels expenses are fixed.
Then all translations of titles, property etc must be *notarised*, not simply sworn.
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I merely supplied a UK agency with all documents requested; Bill of Sale, Builder's certificate, Lloyd's certificate, Passport, etc., etc.. No "notarising". They did everything - for a fee, of course.

Then there are the MCA fees.
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I think my total costs were about £1500, including survey. Yes, a lot more than an SSR but that's part of the cost of expatriation. :(

At least the five year renewal will be significantly less.

Finally the wood engraving :)
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I epoxied an engraved brass plate on the main bulkhead beam - neat, tasteful and unobtrusive.

Best.
 
UPDATE:
At this stage, it looks like a standard UK Part 1 registration is going to be the most cost effective - £124 plus the cost of the survey. I've sent an email to the Part 1 Registry asking for a list of approved surveyors in the Crabby-Ian.

So it looks like I may be able to keep my red duster, which pleases me no end.

I know Gosport in not in the list of possible ports of registration, but I quiet like the sound of Stingo of Costa Del Gosport.
 
stingo said:
UPDATE:

I know Gosport in not in the list of possible ports of registration, but I quiet like the sound of Stingo of Costa Del Gosport.
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I cant remember how this works but I know many years ago I registered a commercial narrow boat for use on the British canals (had to be part one registered for a mortgage) and successfully had Birmingham as the port of registry!
 
stingo said:
What are the rest of you cruisers that have/had SSR doing if you can't prove residence of more than 185 days per year in the UK? Thanks.
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We're still on the electoral role and pay UK income tax.

Maybe the SSR bods are checking the names and addresses given by applicants with the electoral role?

Suspect the various government authorities may also have access to UK Border information to see people's status. As they're watching for suspicious behaviour/movements, no doubt there's a box on the database indicating whether someone's in or out of the UK and how often they travel abroad.
 
Barnac1e said:
I think my total costs were about £1500, including survey. Yes, a lot more than an SSR but that's part of the cost of expatriation. :(
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Thankfully, when I reach the point of registering a boat, the translation costs won't be an issue since I run a translation business ;)
 
charles_reed said:
It used to be quite commonplace, in S of France, to hail a powerboat wearing a red ensign and to find no English-speakers aboard.
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These boats are most likely to be charter operations. You create an offshore UK company with the boat as the asset. These companies are non- taxable for revenues earned outside of the UK. It doesn't matter what nationality the shareholders are.
 
charles_reed said:
In fact there has been a rash of boats with new SSR registration, here in Greek waters.
Mainly Greeks and Italians using the Red Ensign (frequently the union jack) as a flag of convenience to evade their countries' wealth tax on boats above a certain size.

It used to be quite commonplace, in S of France, to hail a powerboat wearing a red ensign and to find no English-speakers aboard.

Perhaps Stingo has been caught in an increased vigilance against such practices.
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The worst thing about these foreigners registering is that you see a bid shiny100 foot yacht with a cheap and nasty printed red ensign. Yuuuk:eek:
 
I am in a similar position to stingo being a UK national but living outside UK. My boat is currently registered in South Africa but due to the rigid inspection requirements I plan to register my boat under part 1, The cost being similar to SA except to UK survey and tonnage measurement.

What I would like to know is what is the survey requirements for part 1 register when a boat is in a foreign port and if the boat is registered on a foreign register like mine will just a proof of deletion and proof of original survey and tonnage be acceptable to the UK authorities.

John pls let me know how you get on.

I know some on who registered in Belize and was also told of a registration in Tristan da Cunha.

Is the Dutch Antilies considered Dutch waters for the issue of radio license and MMSI number ?
 
Rogershaw said:
What I would like to know is what is the survey requirements for part 1 register when a boat is in a foreign port and if the boat is registered on a foreign register like mine will just a proof of deletion and proof of original survey and tonnage be acceptable to the UK authorities.
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Nothing special about it. Tonnage measurement using the prescribed method, but can only be done by an approved surveyor. Rules is rules. Not a problem for a boat in UK as there are plenty of approved surveyors and costs are modest. More difficult if you don't have easy access to an approved surveyor.
 
Tranona said:
Nothing special about it. Tonnage measurement using the prescribed method, but can only be done by an approved surveyor. Rules is rules. Not a problem for a boat in UK as there are plenty of approved surveyors and costs are modest. More difficult if you don't have easy access to an approved surveyor.
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Thks for the info.

Would there be a list of "approved surveyor's" on a web site some where and what would you say the "modest costs" be if I was in the UK.
 
Rogershaw said:
Thks for the info.

Would there be a list of "approved surveyor's" on a web site some where and what would you say the "modest costs" be if I was in the UK.
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You get the list from the MCA registry, but you also often find it against the surveyors details in lists such as the YDSA. Last time I enquired the cost was about £200 plus travelling, but it is often done at the same time as survey.
 
Rogershaw said:
Thks for the info.

Would there be a list of "approved surveyor's" on a web site some where and what would you say the "modest costs" be if I was in the UK.
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If you send them an email (email address is on this page http://www.dft.gov.uk/mca/shipsandcargoes/mcga-ukshipregister) requesting a list of approved surveyors and the forms needed - you will have everything you need. Although I have not checked, there are probably surveyors in SA that belong to an approved organisation.
 
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