jfm
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Like this... with microswitch to tell you the bolt has completed its travel
Boat in build pics (Squadron 78)
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Like this... with microswitch to tell you the bolt has completed its travel
tico
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yup, that's the idea.
Alternatively pretty crew bending over to attach safety clip ;-)
Alternatively pretty crew bending over to attach safety clip ;-)
vas
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hm,
like to see a sketch of how you'll accomplish that.
Where are you going to place the through bolt?
Harsh environment for microswitches out there.
cheers
V.
PS. jfm, I think you should start the new thread with all the discussion on new things to be incorporated in Match2 and maybe leave a couple of stub posts at the begining in order to add later the necessary mould photos
tico
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Pretty straightforward.... Imagine two parallel plates (one either side of the anchor shank in it's rest position)
Solenoid operated bolt mounted on one.
Bolt moves forward through a hole/slot in anchor shank and into a housing on the second plate.
Rather than a microswitch you could easily use a fully sealed proximity switch to detect the presence or otherwise of the end of the bolt to detect a successful latch operation.
Solenoid operated bolt mounted on one.
Bolt moves forward through a hole/slot in anchor shank and into a housing on the second plate.
Rather than a microswitch you could easily use a fully sealed proximity switch to detect the presence or otherwise of the end of the bolt to detect a successful latch operation.
John100156
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Just make sure there is a good mechanical release mechanism should the solenoid fail - well I meant to drop the anchor, but......
PowerYachtBlog
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First of all congrats on the upcoming project for hull 92!
But I would heave sweared it would have been the new 80 Squadron!
Many 80feet plus motor yacht builders are not geared for such numbers, but Fairline back a decade ago did quite good homework previous to the 74 was launch, with the new facility.
To be true the 74 Squadron had a pretty slow start in the first 2 years of its production selling about only ten units (five where actually dealer stocks) and these sales numbers at the time where about (put rumours) half of what Fairline actually expected, up until it exploded with the modification of the 78.
But is not the first time that a model starts slows and some minor changes, and a bit of believe make it become pretty popular.
I think with a bit more beleive even the 66/68 Squadron could have become much more popular.
jfm
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There isn't a new 80 squadron PYB else I would have bought one. There is a pile of 3D renderings but you cant go to sea on those! Next time maybe...
I think the switch from sq74 to 78 was about hull #30 and yes I think you're right that the increase in run rate has been in the later part of the model's life
Next time maybe...I think the switch from sq74 to 78 was about hull #30 and yes I think you're right that the increase in run rate has been in the later part of the model's life
petem
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What is it they say "Turnover is vanity....". Sadly I see that FL had to make more redundancies recently so sadly things can't be going that well (despite your valiant efforts to support them single handedly)!
Anyway, I'll also look forward to the new build thread and perhaps I#ll see this one in the flesh!
petem
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There isn't a new 80 squadron PYB else I would have bought one. There is a pile of 3D renderings but you cant go to sea on those!
Nothing wrong with a bit of vapourware as we call it in IT!
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Deleted User YDKXO
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Mmm, if Match 1 was hull no 70 in Jan 2011 and Match 2 is going to be hull no 92 in Mar 2013, that implies a current production rate of about 10 units per year which is pretty impressive. If the Sq78 started in mid 2008 with hull no 30, that means they built 40 units between 2008 and the end of 2010, which implies a production rate of around 15 units a year. Truly remarkable at the height of the credit crunch
Hurricane
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Mmm, if Match 1 was hull no 70 in Jan 2011 and Match 2 is going to be hull no 92 in Mar 2013, that implies a current production rate of about 10 units per year which is pretty impressive. If the Sq78 started in mid 2008 with hull no 30, that means they built 40 units between 2008 and the end of 2010, which implies a production rate of around 15 units a year. Truly remarkable at the height of the credit crunch
Perhaps they work like Princess - there's a hull number which might not necessarily be the next one in the sequence.
Princess also have a "slot" number which is a little more appropriate.
Our P67 for example was hull no 083 but she was built in slot 57.
Kind of implying that she was the 57th one built.
I think I read somewhere that the slot number also isn't necisarilt the number of boats built - I think someone said that more than one boat could be built in a single slot.
This all goes to show that the actually numbers of a model built are "muddied" by the boat builder's numbering systems.
jfm
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Mmm, if Match 1 was hull no 70 in Jan 2011 and Match 2 is going to be hull no 92 in Mar 2013, that implies a current production rate of about 10 units per year which is pretty impressive. If the Sq78 started in mid 2008 with hull no 30, that means they built 40 units between 2008 and the end of 2010, which implies a production rate of around 15 units a year. Truly remarkable at the height of the credit crunch
Mike, there is a flaw in there. Hull 44 was jan 2008 LIBS boat and my hull 70 was 2011 LIBS, so that is 26 boats in 3 years including credit crunch= 9 per year. 2013 SIBS is going to be hull 87 and i guess LIBS will be 90 so that is slightly increased run rate
Hurricane, the hull numbering at Fairline is simpler. They do have slot numbers but they hardly ever refer to them and all reference to a boat being built in terms of builder's records, marking of parts, communications to suppliers and customers, etc, is done using hull number. Hull numbers are sequential so my hull 92 will be the 92nd boat built (with a few odd exceptions when adjacent boats have been swapped eg 79 was built before 78 for tech reasons)
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Deleted User YDKXO
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All the same it's pretty impressive that Fairline managed to shift 9/10 per year during the worst recession they've probably ever experienced. Good on them
Dick van Driel
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Is it also possible to run the two gens parralel?
Dick.
Dick.
jfm
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Yes. The sine waves are however not synchronised. Instead, there are two completely separate 230v circuits on the boat, joined by a relay. Lets call them A and B. Airco and some 230v loads are on A, and galley cooking plus other loads are on B. When on a single shorepower connection, or a single genset, the relay joins A and B and the boat has, in effect, one 230v system. As soon as you:
(a) start a second generator,
(b) connect both shore power leads, or
(c) run a generator while connected to shorepower
the relay opens (before the second 230v source is connected, ie the overlap issue is managed) and one genset runs A and the other runs B, or the shorepower runs A and the genset runs B, or vice versa, or whatever combination you choose
By doing it this way, you do not have to synch the AC sine waves, as between the 2 gensets or as between the genset and the dock. Such synching requires complex special equipment. Also you can plug in 2 shorepower leads without having to care whether the two shore power sockets are on the same phase (of the 3 phase dock supply) or not. On this last point, I have noted that in Med marinas, and perhaps lots of marinas, even adjacent 230v sockets on the same shore power "box" are connected to different phases
I like this system and chose it consciously, instead of having sine wave synching equipment (which as you may know has to cut into the ECU and control the speed on one of the gensets)
Sorry to give a heavy tech answer to a simple question!
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STEVEDUNSTABLE
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Yes. The sine waves are however not synchronised. Instead, there are two completely separate 230v circuits on the boat, joined by a relay. Lets call them A and B. Airco and some 230v loads are on A, and galley cooking plus other loads are on B. When on a single shorepower connection, or a single genset, the relay joins A and B and the boat has, in effect, one 230v system. As soon as you:
(a) start a second generator,
(b) connect both shore power leads, or
(c) run a generator while connected to shorepower
the relay opens (before the second 230v source is connected, ie the overlap issue is managed) and one genset runs A and the other runs B, or the shorepower runs A and the genset runs B, or vice versa, or whatever combination you choose
By doing it this way, you do not have to synch the AC sine waves, as between the 2 gensets or as between the genset and the dock. Such synching requires complex special equipment. Also you can plug in 2 shorepower leads without having to care whether the two shore power sockets are on the same phase (of the 3 phase dock supply) or not. On this last point, I have noted that in Med marinas, and perhaps lots of marinas, even adjacent 230v sockets on the same shore power "box" are connected to different phases
I like this system and chose it consciously, instead of having sine wave synching equipment (which as you may know has to cut into the ECU and control the speed on one of the gensets)
Sorry to give a heavy tech answer to a simple question!
Hi JFM... nice to hear from you ....don't be sorry for "heavy tech answer", its because of your in depth answers that "oiks" like me learn AND understand this sort of stuff !!!!!!
jfm
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Cheers Steve. Good to hear from you too. Been busy boasting this summer, but will find time to post some cruise reports and pictures one of these days.
Ref the gensets, I think I gave the same answer much further up this thread, but I dunno on which page. This is the thread for my 2011 build, not the 2013 boat!
And just to complete the answer, I hardly ever run two gensets together. Each one is 3.3 litre engine and can make 80Amps+, which is easily enough 99% of the time. As i see it, the benefit of two sets is back up. On a cruise this summer with 8 people+ crew on board, the genset I was running shut itself down automatically because of low raw water flow. So I put my G+T down for half a minute and just started the other one. The job of changing the impeller on the shut down one waited till it suited me and when the engine room was cool
Dick van Driel
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Yes. The sine waves are however not synchronised. Instead, there are two completely separate 230v circuits on the boat, joined by a relay. Lets call them A and B. Airco and some 230v loads are on A, and galley cooking plus other loads are on B. When on a single shorepower connection, or a single genset, the relay joins A and B and the boat has, in effect, one 230v system. As soon as you:
(a) start a second generator,
(b) connect both shore power leads, or
(c) run a generator while connected to shorepower
the relay opens (before the second 230v source is connected, ie the overlap issue is managed) and one genset runs A and the other runs B, or the shorepower runs A and the genset runs B, or vice versa, or whatever combination you choose
By doing it this way, you do not have to synch the AC sine waves, as between the 2 gensets or as between the genset and the dock. Such synching requires complex special equipment. Also you can plug in 2 shorepower leads without having to care whether the two shore power sockets are on the same phase (of the 3 phase dock supply) or not. On this last point, I have noted that in Med marinas, and perhaps lots of marinas, even adjacent 230v sockets on the same shore power "box" are connected to different phases
I like this system and chose it consciously, instead of having sine wave synching equipment (which as you may know has to cut into the ECU and control the speed on one of the gensets)
Sorry to give a heavy tech answer to a simple question!
Its not a problem to give such an answer because I am familiar with the system as you discribed.
Its more or less standard with the bigger Fairlines.( I am working at a Fairline Dealer).
But I tought as you let it build costomized you maybe had choosen for synced gensets.
Dick
Hurricane
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Yep - my berth is like that.
Not too keen having two separate phases on the boat but it is a standard system - A/C on one - the rest on the other.
Most importantly, I know about the risk.
John100156
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Do you know: I never gave much thought to adjacent socket outlets on the same service pole being on different phases, always assumed each pole would be on its own single phase. I plug in two leads, one dedicated to AC and the other for general power both on separate RCDs with no cross-over so no problem, but I am going to check this now when out in a few weeks.
No real problem other than a much higher potential of course (louder bang should ever the phases meet), which of course, JFM's box of tricks deals with quite nicely, but I suppose its good to know these things as I do from time to time check out the electrical panel without isolating the supply, I would be just a little more careful if it was potentially 400/415v.....
No real problem other than a much higher potential of course (louder bang should ever the phases meet), which of course, JFM's box of tricks deals with quite nicely, but I suppose its good to know these things as I do from time to time check out the electrical panel without isolating the supply, I would be just a little more careful if it was potentially 400/415v.....