lanerboy
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john what is the score with fuel over in Antibes as you know we get away with a 60/40 split over here just wondered how it works in the med and what are the prices like compared to the uk
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EME
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There is no 60-40 split in France. In SoF you will currently pay anywhere between €1.41 ( last week from the tanker) to €1.70 (Antibes fuel berth) a few weeks ago. Prices do vary as they do anywhere so always worth a phone call before making a commitment. There is competition between the varying tanker companies at the moment --- that seems good.
lanerboy
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john does that mean you filled her up before shipping her or did you have to ship her with ltd fuel??????
davids0865
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I don't know JFM's exact set up, but there are some concessions in France enabling "commercial" charter boats to buy low tax fuel and JFM may be able to reclaim the VAT (tva) making it unnecessary to fill before shipping even if that was allowed by the shipping company.
itspaul
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I see apollogracht is now showing eta gandia. Tomorrow 08.00 so must have been unloaded and looking ahead of schedule ?
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jfm
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Yup ship is in Gandia a bit south of Valencia, now. This is yet another example in my opinion of the shyster nature of shipping companies and I won't ever use Sevenstar again. After asking questions on the point (prompted by a sense of evasiveness I detected in their emails) I now realise they are craning Match off the ship and putting her on the quayside in Gandia, along with I guess the hattan73, while they open the hatches to unload the base cargo from the holds. If they had told me this before booking ( and it came up in discussions but they were not candid) I would never have booked with them
Nothing I can do. They have my boat and my money. But I take back my earlier praise for them and I'd recommend anyone Shipping a yacht to use psp (as I now wish I'd done and intended to, but I was doing a favour to Essex boatyards, long story too hard to expl hence I used Sevenstar on this occasion but never again) because in my opinion PSP are the most straightforward and honest
jfm
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I believe eta genoa is Thursday which isn't ahead of schedule
jfm
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That's not how fuel works in France. There is no vat reclaim. The concessions will anyhow likely end this September so it has become academic. From then everyone will use white as EME prices above, except mega yachts who can refuel in Gib or Malta
With white there is no 60 40. That is unique to uk. White diesel in France is all taxed but at lower rate. With match I can buy big enough lorry loads eg 6000 litres a time so as to get big bulk discounts
jfm
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Shipping contract expressly limited me to 3000 litres so I honoured that and she had 2800 iirc
GSL
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Well done John for pointing this out to all who read this forum, way too much business is done today by only telling half truths and hoping the customer does not find out.
I truely hope that you highlighting this affects their future business, they deserve all they get, or in this case do not get in the future, it is not the way to treat customers.
They would know better than anybody that damage and problems usually occur during loading and unloading, and have just doubled the opportunity for this to happen to the boats that they move.
Graham
longjohnsilver
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That's disgraceful behaviour on their part. I'd be absolutely livid if it was my boat they were moving without my express permission. What security is provided for M2 whilst on the quayside?
MapisM
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Blimey J, you can say that again!
Out of curiosity, didn't they at least inform you before unloading the other boats in Palma, giving you a chance to unload also M2 there and then?
That's surely what I would have done, if given a chance.
If they told you nothing about the Gandia trick, it obviously means that they were hoping to hide it, which is more idiotic than dishonest.
Then again, I guess nothing beats having your boat delivered to Southampton and unloaded in Eastern Scotland instead...
Erik C
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I can't believe the risks they are taking with some very expensive and fragile cargo, what about the cover, does that have to come off to?
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Shipping companies don't give a toss. They never have a face to face relationship with their customers ie the people who own the stuff they carry and they know any damage will be covered by somebody's insurance. In any case the ship's master is god of all he surveys and he has the right to shift his load about as he sees fit
Nautical
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Er, you can say that again, first it was Falmouth, then maybe Southampton and finally Scotland, turns out later there was never any intention to stop in Falmouth or Southampton, its was always Scotland after leaving Asia.
The problem here is that Shipping yachts in many cases is just PITA for ship owners, not defending them but yacht shipping while expensive is actually a business that doesn't make a lot of money for the ship owner. The time it takes to load, lash, secure etc and then the reverse on offload and in some cases several days of dock charges (which can be hideously expensive for a large freighter) makes the margins tight so they try and jiggle as much of the loading and offloading to fit around more profitable business. The time it takes to load and offload one large yacht can be the same as 200 containers, each one on and off in minutes. Which at $800 each is way more than they get for shipping a 60' boat.
Nevertheless, if you know the score from the off its not so bad, its when the conceal everything from you is when you burst a blood vessel.
As one ship agent said to me, Shipping brokers are all whores, they will sell the space at the highest bidder all the while keeping the lower bidder on the hook as back up. Soon as the money is in the account the lower bidder gets hoofed off without ceremony. There is supposed to be laycan idea where once the offer is made they have to stick with it for a fixed period but in my experience, another bid comes in that's more spondulies and you are out, they may wait to the end of the laycan but you aint never getting on that ship.
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jfm
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No mapis. The first time they told me match would be offloaded onto the dockside in Gandia was after the ship had left Palma. Otherwise yes I'd just have flown to Palma and offloaded there. And yes the Scotland Southampton case is another example of shyster behaviour. Basically you can't trust Sevenstar to tell you the whole truth IMHO. I can get livid LJS but tbh there ain't any point. I just have to hope there is no damage. They will i understand but am not sure, lift the cradle not the boat and they will leave the cover on
Alchemy2665
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This is the point where I make myself look stupid but I've been wondering something for some time now and assumed it would be silly to ask so I haven't. However after reading about the shipping, seeing the videos of loading, covering, preparing etc etc I really want to know......John, why didn't you just have a nice cruise across the channel and round the coast of France or at least hire a skipper to do it for you?? There, I've done it now and I'm ready for the 1001 reasons why shipping is better....although after reading the last few posts I can't think of one!
Paul.
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Portofino
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Sometimes its best not know, go too deep behind things.
1000's of boats are shipped too and throw worldwide and arrive undamaged , but maybe dirty .
The cover should mitigate against this .
Anther 1000 or so are trucked up/ down Euorpe - all safley.
Iam assuming transit insurance has been taken as is the norm?
Sailing it down in my view is more risky than this ( with an extra lift off / on ).
In terms of wear and tear and potential damage .
Next time you order veal or pheasant or even eat an egg - you don,t really want to know how it got to the plate .
Or what happened inbetwwen S Hampton and Genoa?? When JFM turns up to collect -assuming all is ok I,am sure it will be.
Many Super Yachts are moved by ship in the Autum from Med to Carribean ,and in the spring back .All uneventful .
Shipping it is the sensible option with out a doubt
Remember every year it will be lifted put at the shipyard at least once .
1000's of boats are shipped too and throw worldwide and arrive undamaged , but maybe dirty .
The cover should mitigate against this .
Anther 1000 or so are trucked up/ down Euorpe - all safley.
Iam assuming transit insurance has been taken as is the norm?
Sailing it down in my view is more risky than this ( with an extra lift off / on ).
In terms of wear and tear and potential damage .
Next time you order veal or pheasant or even eat an egg - you don,t really want to know how it got to the plate .
Or what happened inbetwwen S Hampton and Genoa?? When JFM turns up to collect -assuming all is ok I,am sure it will be.
Many Super Yachts are moved by ship in the Autum from Med to Carribean ,and in the spring back .All uneventful .
Shipping it is the sensible option with out a doubt
Remember every year it will be lifted put at the shipyard at least once .
jfm
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That's the thing. They aren't taking much risk. If you read the small print most of the risk is mine, including damage arising from their negligence. I have insurance for the shipping process but that's little comfort when as the boat owner you prefer to minimise opportunities for damage in the first place not rely on insurance to have it repaired. Ho hum
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jfm
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Sure but you kinda monumentally miss the point about integrity and fair dealings.
