ProDave
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What struck me, is you could not devise a more difficult way to moor boats if you tried. What a crazy system.
Boat handling mayhem! Ermioni Greece.
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Wansworth
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It enables individual boats to come and go without having to get out from a raft,interesting it functions in European waters but fishing harbours in the UK invariably moor rafted up ,more individualis tic them forig n ers
Wandering Star
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Fortunately smartphones hadn’t been invented when I was learning to sail 60 years ago!
Clancy Moped
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Done properly it works well,. Once the hook bites, you're able to keep a good straight line. The trick is, if it starts to go tits up, pull out and go again; trying to salvage it mid manoeuvre will end up in it going pear-shaped.
anoccasionalyachtsman
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I can't believe how much Ermioni has changed from the sleepy little fishing village I knew - or Oney Noney as the daughter called it. Shame.
duncan99210
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It works well in places with a small or negligible tidal range. You can pack in almost as many boats as rafting does without the attendant “don’t walk over my boat in those shoes” problem. Down side is you do actually need to understand what you’re doing and how to escape when it all goes wrong...
RichardS
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The Croatian lazy line system seems much less trouble and packs in just as many boats without any rafting. I'm familiar with both Greece and Croatia and am happy that we chose Croatia from a mooring perspective.
As said above, we discussed this same video a few months ago.
Richard
sailorman
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Rafting technique lacking
sailaboutvic
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Yes as Duncan said , you need to understand what your doing , it also helps if you know how to handle a boat which is possible a couple of metres bigger then what you use to , in some cases a lot more .
V1701
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I had a boat based in Porto Cheli for a few years, just around the corner from Ermioni. Could never understand why more people didn't just anchor when it's a bit too lively to get on the town quays safely...
duncan99210
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When you see the video, you will appreciate why we don’t go on town quays unless we have to (usually to take on water or fuel). Anchoring is a much better alternative rather than getting involved with folks who aren’t overly happy with their boat handl8ng skills....
V1701
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Totally agree the trouble is they're probably on their 2 week holiday & want to get to the taverna so it's town quay or bust. Do they even put dinghies on charter boats?
zoidberg
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And OTHER folks nearby who aren't happy with their boat handling skills.
Poignard
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Hasn't that system of berthing been in use by commercial vessels since Roman times?
If they could do it without engines, it makes the modern yachtsman look pretty pathetic
Laminar Flow
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I have two observations to make.
a.) The more inexperienced a helmsman is, the more he/she revs the engine, jockeying back and forth, rather than give the boat a chance to react to the power input.
b.) Why do charter companies not equip their boats with a couple of big-a$$ ball fenders to be used as roving crash preventers? When I cruised the Med, I had a couple of 30", industrial looking jobs in definetely non-yachty pink. When backing in, two crew members were on standby either side of the stern. My charter crews were absolutely prohibited from sticking out their limbs to fend off a crash in our 30ton boat. The crews in the video were damn lucky no one got hurt.
a.) The more inexperienced a helmsman is, the more he/she revs the engine, jockeying back and forth, rather than give the boat a chance to react to the power input.
b.) Why do charter companies not equip their boats with a couple of big-a$$ ball fenders to be used as roving crash preventers? When I cruised the Med, I had a couple of 30", industrial looking jobs in definetely non-yachty pink. When backing in, two crew members were on standby either side of the stern. My charter crews were absolutely prohibited from sticking out their limbs to fend off a crash in our 30ton boat. The crews in the video were damn lucky no one got hurt.
Skellum
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Yes they do. And outboards.
mjcoon
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Not that the lazy line system is a total panacea. I watch the TV programme "Saving Lives at Sea" and there the RNLI use a technique they call "veering". It is very like stern-to mooring using an anchor and has the same advantage of giving some control in the face of cross-wind. Whereas picking a lazy line up is done free-hand, as it were, without that constraint. Not to mention the disgusting state of many lazy lines...
vyv_cox
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The problem with lazy lines is that so many are cut by propeller scissors and the like. Unless the lines are constantly maintained, often requiring a diver, there are soon no functioning ones left .
A lot has to do with the position of the quay. At Pothia, Kalymnos, the prevailing wind blows off the quay at about 90 degrees, so berthing on anchor is relatively easy. In places like Ay Eufimia where the afternoon wind blows strongly along the quay berthing is a different matter altogether.
A lot has to do with the position of the quay. At Pothia, Kalymnos, the prevailing wind blows off the quay at about 90 degrees, so berthing on anchor is relatively easy. In places like Ay Eufimia where the afternoon wind blows strongly along the quay berthing is a different matter altogether.
Davy_S
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May i suggest that the perfect place to observe, (with a pint of course) is Marabou bar, it gives a perfect view along the quay, you can tell which yacht will get it wrong before the crew know!
zoidberg
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May i suggest that the perfect place to observe, (with a pint of course) is Marabou bar, it gives a perfect view along the quay, you can tell which yacht will get it wrong before the crew know!
That sounds like fine armchair sport!
