boat delivery

[revo]

I'm hoping that someone can help me, I have just bought a Fairline targa which is berthed in southampton and I want it delivered to Villamoura in Portugal.

Can anyone give me a steer as to how much this will cost and what formula delivery skippers use to quote. The two that I have contacted so far have not got back to me nearly a week later, but both wanted all kinds of info on cruising speed etc.

Any help would be gratefully received!

 

[Nautorius]

Probably better to Truck it down!

Mind you delivery would be fun!

Sorry, can not be of any real help, the biggest boat I have had taken to Spain was 24ft, and never taken a boat to portugal.

Cheers

Paul /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Whitelighter]

PM forumite Solitaire - he will advise of costs to deliver the boat down by sea. What size Targa? A 34 or 37/38 will probably be too small, might find someone to take a 43 or bigger down.

 

[temptress]

Depends on Size. what size, BOAT, Engines crusing range.

When I did deliveries (currently doing other things so not available) I would use something like this to calculate:

£1 per mile (or use £1 = $1 if on other side as costs are much lower there)
+
£50 per day if delayed by weather conditions
+
Fuel, Marina/Port charges,
+
Pre-agreed lliving expenses or allowance for crew
+
£100 per day if delayed by mechanical failure on top of repair costs
+
pre-agreed costs home (flight/trains/taxis/ferys etc...)

Most owners would push for a 'fixed price' instead of the £x per mile which might would agree after the initial quote.

Owner to provide seaworthy well found craft, maintained, equipped and insured for the voyage.

This was covered by a formal binding contract drawn up under British law

That should give you some idea of the costs but my big issued with this one would be when do you want it moved? Right now is not a good time of year weather wise. It can be done but waiting charges will rack up quickly.

If it's under say 45Ft it may be more cost effective to take it over to Cherebourg ( about 70 nM from southampton) and put it on a lowloader from there.

 

[revo]

Its a 38 and I did consider trucking it down, largely because of the weather, but the quote I got was touching £4k ouch!! This includes lifting it out of the water etc.

Based on your formula temptress delivering it down would be less than half that, however everyone i have spoken to at the marina says no one will do it for less than £3k and they won't want to do it anyway because of the size of the boat!!

I might start a business!!! There must be hundreds of people who need their boats taken abroad, I'm amazed that it is this difficult to acheive!

 

[Renegade_Master]

I will get Phil to PM you a quote Hes very familiar with such a trip regards Clive

 

[Bandit]

Its a small boat to run on its own hull.

Its a long way.

Its unlikely you will find a settled weather period for this.

I bought a boat in Vilamoura a 48ft semidisplacement in the end I had it shipped by sea from Gib to Southampton by Peters and May £10k ex vat, it had to go there fro the sale for VAT reasons anyway.

My preference would have been by road but it was too high.

I would jhave thought if you are flexible anout dates find the haulier for Rodmans or another builder from spain or Portugal and see if they want a return load.

You should be ok for road transport from a height point of view.

4K sounds reasonable , I did not have time to collect it myself and i looked at delivery by sea I calculated all in including fuel and expenses about 6 to 7k.

The thought of having a boat in somewhere like Gijon with over heated engine does not fill me with joy.

Or finding out that the boat was thrashed all the way about 850 miles and has structural problems .

Look for good reputable road hauliers and give him them a time window of say december to february and see who bites.

The least expensive is not always the best value.

Get everything serviced and tested and seatrialed before it leaves UK so you are certain it is in A1 condition.

 

[gjgm]

did you discuss when? If you can wait a while and leave the timing up to them, you may find they can take it down with another load (Rodman was suggested as a return trip, too).
If you ask for a delivery just for you, its going to be more, of course.
I think I'd pay the road premium just to ensure it arrives without having endured some tough sea trip.

 

[temptress]

based on some estimates on fuel consumption:

distance 1500 miles
Crusing speed say 18 Knts average
Fuel consumption (estimate as no dtat available) for trip 2467 Ltrs would equate to at about £2k for fuel as you pay full whack in France, Spain and Portugal.
air fares fro skipper & 2 crew say £600 as you can't usually use cheap flights because you don't know when you need them.
plus living, mooring and sundry charges say £350 may well be more

plus weather delays etc £X000
plus additional insurance £x00


In summer with a High over biscay this would cost in the region of: £4450 as an absolute minimum. In winter with a small boat much cheaper to ship it.

That's why we gave all this up - as a business it hard to make any sort of profit (ie living) and as a hobby you the owner get a mistreated boat.

 

[Jonmendez]

Just before you get excited at getting it delivered by sea, talk to your insurance company, many will not go with this trip after the end of October because of poor weather conditions for a boat of that size, its about 1000 + miles from Southampton and with good weather, running mostly daylight you are looking at 5 days, one of the big problems is getting fuel as many marinas only open ‘winter’ hours. Even with good weather you are looking at 5 days + return travel day. For a GOOD skipper + crew you are looking at 6 days so with food, berthing and return flights you in for £2500 + fuel, much less than this - and you will get a cheaper quote, and I would be asking do you trust them with your pride and joy? At this time of year and with that size boat I would reckon that trucking is a good option – try Shoreline Transport. Terry Ollerton is the owner, Pm me for his mobile, have used before, no connection just pleased.

 

[jfm]

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There must be hundreds of people who need their boats taken abroad, I'm amazed that it is this difficult to acheive!

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There are hundreds, indeed thousands who move boats from UK to Med/Algarve. Me and many other posters here included. But they all would find £4k very fair for this job. Your boat is really too small to deliver by sea, but if you did here are just the fuel figures.

It is 1300miles not 1000, assuming you hug the coast and dont cross biscay in a one-er, which you couldn't sensibly do in the targa and you prob dont have the range anyway. The due Westbound leg across the top of spain is nearly 300nm alone, and your VMG towards Vilamoura is almost nil for that part!

So the fuel cost alone would be something like 1300miles @ 1.3mpg = 1000gallons = 4500litres @ €1.25/litre (assuming you do not qualify for detax) = €5700 = nearly £4 grand. Then you have crew wages, berthing, flights, etc. You will never do it for <£4,000

Stick it on a lorry or a ship imho. I'd prefer the ship, less road damage etc. Peters and May or yachtshipping.com, for example, though you may have to dock in Gib

 

[Lozzer]

SHIP or ROAD

most certainly not under own steam.

Dont let anyone else tell you different. Ship will cost fractionally less, these guys calculate the cost of one doing yourself then give you a little bit of to make you feel better.

Dont forget though you will have to meet the boat when it is discharged from the ship to put it in its mooring.

Have seen P&M at work, they are very professional and slick.

The numbers for taking it by sea being prophered here vary, I would take the most expensive and add 10% as a contingency. Then I would decide SHIP..

Good luck

 

[DavidJ]

I took the 4k option and had my Sealine S37 road transported down to S.France. It's trickier than you may think. The french bridges over the motorways are too low (I'm not talking flybridge) so it's RN roads most of the way, the truck will need a "convoy exceptional" escort all the way and to go though Lyon a road had to be closed at 3am in the morning so they could go the wrong way down a one way street. There was no return load...I don't know how they do it for the money!
I've heard that there may be a saving if you take the boat to France and get a continental truck company to take it.
best of luck

oh yes forgot! The transport company has to get permission from each individual french district, bit like air traffic control but by post!!

 

[Bandit]

The other good news is that Portugese and Spanish bridges are lower than France.

Not by sea!

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

£4k for truckfreight is not bad at all IMHO. Agree with the others. A 38 footer is marginal for sea delivery especially as the winter weather is coming. The delivery crew could spend weeks just waiting for a weather window, all at your expense. Then, apart from fuel, something expensive could break on the boat. Take the easy option. Stick it on a truck

 

[gimmesunshine]

i paid 1k for glasgow to poole by road for 28ft, 4k is about right for your trip, if your lucky you might find transport going down empty to bring one back, give them all a call and be flexible on dates

 

[peterb26]

As a yardstick - I paid £2k for my 28 foot boat to be trucked from Hayling Island to Lagos, just 30m West of Villamoura.

However, in my case they put another boat behind mine on the transporter. Hence they were able to make a fair bit more out of the delivery - and they had a backload as well.

I will PM you the name of the company as they were excellent and often travel to southern spain and portugal to bring back new spanish boats - so a load going south is often tempting for them.

 

[No Regrets]

Just imagine the wear and tear on the engine, transmission and risk of it hitting something over the thousands of miles involved.

Four grand seems reasonable by road! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[mjkinch1]

I have been getting some prices for moving my 40ft from Majorca/spain to the UK.

Truck transport seems to be working out about £4250 to £4500 plus VAT, and Shipping it on a bigger container ship around £7500 plus VAT (to Southampton).

I phoned around a few of the larger dealers in the Majorca to see who had a biggish boat being delivered, that might be able to sort out a return for me, which worked quite well, but costs are pretty much teh same. Perhaps you could try that as local dealers will only use reputable companies, and (so I have found out) are generally shipping many boats to and from the UK and Europe.

Transboat have always been highly recommended on here and they gave me a pretty competitive quote.

I didnt realise I also had to have the props and rudders removed as well, and depending where the boat is picked up from, the Radar arch or bits off the radar arch to reduce height.

 

[capsco]

I assume the £4250/£4500 quote was from the mainland, so plus cost to move it from the island.