Bill’s call for help.

billskip said:
Of course, I would be the first to load my boat with all the latest aids....but I wouldn't be daft enough to think it's reliable and not need plan b....
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Just as I have been on board with salty old sea dogs who spit in their palm, hold their hand up in the air and give you a prediction. Things move on!
 
Sandy said:
one of the joys of retirement.
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I look forward to it. Hopefully by the time I get there, enough wage earners are able to work from wherever they want to be in the world to keep me in triple locked luxury?

billskip said:
If you condone people going to sea without the ability use their own knowledge and experience and rely on electronics you not imo very sensible.
Carry on...
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I don’t think anybody did - someone started a thread about a system outage (which if anything would reinforce the arguments for having alternatives) when along came some luddites to moan that they don’t know why anyone needs the internet anyway… the irony that they were doing that on the internet wasn’t lost on me even if it was on you!
 
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lustyd said:
Well for one thing, you’ve not mentioned anything about Starlink on a Starlink thread and you seem to have joined in just to thrust your opinion on the rest of us. You’ve added nothing to the thread or subject, just attention seeking behaviour which suggests you’re either lonely or angry or both.
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Your not very good are you....
The internet is the internet, it's not specific to one service provider.....no point in repeating...stop wriggling and trying to be a psychologist..coz your not good at that either....
My post #13 was simply a comment that I am entitled to make, I stand by my comment.
I understand if the internet 'goes down' it can be more a problem to some than others, but I was referring to the ability for some to accept that system failure should not cause undue concern mid ocean if you have experience/ability to go back to basics.......you then for some reason only known to yourself introduced the '79 fastnet disaster..

You are right of course, but I'm sure you believe that anyway...

Carry on....
 
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billskip said:
According to Google....
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250000 UTC (Coordinated Universal Time) translates to 12:00 AM on July 26th, 2025 in Coordinated Universal Time. Specifically, it represents the midnight hour, transitioning from July 25th to July 26th.
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Not in aviation it's not. And in the context of your quote given that it's still the 25th at time of writing, I believe the low was somewhere at 250000 (the past) and will be somewhere else at 260000 (the future).

At 250000UTC, low 61 north 30 west 990 expected 68 north 16 west 990 by 260000UTC.
 
lustyd said:
The trick is knowing when to batten down and when to turn 4 degrees to port to avoid the worst of the weather three days out.
Same is true anywhere, we’re in the Scottish isles at the moment and phone signal is often poor so the ability to plan our next move is well worth the fee.
I don’t struggle with getting distracted by the world though.
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Have you tried making a call from the top of the mast steps yet?
 
Hadenough said:
Just as I have been on board with salty old sea dogs who spit in their palm, hold their hand up in the air and give you a prediction. Things move on
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Do they? And then it all breaks down launching a thread such as this. Not trying to be an arse just trying to figure out why people are so protective of technology. I recently attended a talk by a very knowledgeable ex RN Nav and sailor who talked about how it might not actually be a bad idea for us to get back to reading the weather from what we can see, feel and smell. For this old "sea dog" it was a very enlightening and interesting evening. As you were.
 
winch2 said:
it might not actually be a bad idea for us to get back to reading the weather from what we can see, feel and smell
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Thus reducing the forecast from a week to about 3 hours. I'm pretty sure most of us using tech for weather know how to use our eyes too, but we can also see the advantage in using better tools where they're available.
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then it all breaks down launching a thread such as this
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The thread had nothing to do with this anyway, just one disruptive person decided to make it his mission to divert it to his own ends. The admin team then removed him to let the rest of us discuss the topic at hand.
 
lustyd said:
Thus reducing the forecast from a week to about 3 hours. I'm pretty sure most of us using tech for weather know how to use our eyes too, but we can also see the advantage in using better tools where they're available.

The thread had nothing to do with this anyway, just one disruptive person decided to make it his mission to divert it to his own ends. The admin team then removed him to let the rest of us discuss the topic at hand.
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This thread started by you was about when you're Internet broke down.
If the only really useful use of this kit that failed is weather forecast in the middle of the Atlantic then it is no use to the vast majority of us.
 
No, the thread was about how difficult it was to troubleshoot. I mentioned in the OP that it is still very much the best opton available.
I’ve had it for several years and that 2.5 hours is the only outage I’m aware of.
 
lustyd said:
No, the thread was about how difficult it was to troubleshoot. I mentioned in the OP that it is still very much the best opton available.
I’ve had it for several years and that 2.5 hours is the only outage I’m aware of.
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My Starlink has been down for more than that. But that is because of power cuts. It doesn't work without electricity.
 
lustyd said:
Thus reducing the forecast from a week to about 3 hours. I'm pretty sure most of us using tech for weather know how to use our eyes too
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True but its actually way more fundamental than looking up at the sky trying to stay 3 hrs ahead, and to be fair probably something pretty much all of us simply cannot go back to re-learning, such is its complexity. He talked about for eg the behaviour of that funny little bird thats landed on ur pushpit pooping all over you new Dyneema. Hundreds of years ago the sailors would read something from said bird and feed it into the overall picture. I guess it can be done but you'd have to re-learn almost everything we know about the sea, sky and well. nature in general..
 
Hadenough said:
Just as I have been on board with salty old sea dogs who spit in their palm, hold their hand up in the air and give you a prediction. Things move on!
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I used to sail from Leucate. And the weather there could, from time to time be nasty.

The old salts there knew when this would be just from knowing what had happened during the last few days and looking at the sky (and the mountain peeks in the distance).
I eventually learned the hard way not to leave port when they said it would get nasty as they were almost always right.

I could not see it in any of the weather forecasts I looked at nor see any recognizable pattern which would help me work this out myself.
 
westernman said:
The old salts there knew when this would be just from knowing what had happened during the last few days and looking at the sky (and the mountain peeks in the distance).
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But sail them 500 miles away and they’d be clueless. Local knowledge is only useful for local sailing.
 
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