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i am looking to buy a ( probably new ) c 40ft yacht to sail with 2 - 4 people, mostly coastal and channel sailing . i have looked at Moody 41ds, Jenneau 410 , hanse 418 , dufour 412 . I have discounted Oceanis / bavaria i liked the Moody but is it worth the extra money ? any advice - what else should I look at ?
 
I really like the new Moody ds boats. I reckon it's worth paying extra for. If you like the deck saloon style, take a look at the Sirius range. Expensive but well built and will hold it's value. Also worth taking a look at the X yachts XC range.
 
simonizy said:
i am looking to buy a ( probably new ) c 40ft yacht to sail with 2 - 4 people, mostly coastal and channel sailing . i have looked at Moody 41ds, Jenneau 410 , hanse 418 , dufour 412 . I have discounted Oceanis / bavaria i liked the Moody but is it worth the extra money ? any advice - what else should I look at ?
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Welcome to the forums!

I'm not sure why you've discounted Beneteau and Bavaria - their boats are in the same league (or better) than Jeanneau, Hanse and Dufour.

The Moody isn't really in the same league as the rest of them; it's built to a higher spec and so is much more expensive. For a reasonably-specced new boat, you'd be looking at around £500K for the Moody compared with around £250-300K for the others.

But if your budget stretches to £500K, the Moody could be very pleasant. If I were in that position, I'd dig a little bit deeper and order a Hallberg-Rassy 40C, arguably one of the best sailing boats on the market, and probably much more likely to retain its value over a few years than the Moody.

If you wanted to stick with the lower level of spend, I'd take a serious look at the Bavaria C42.
 
Have a look at the Farr Fast 40+ if speed is your top priority over comfort, or better still a performance catamaran.

Seriously though, is it Summer sailing only, is it traditional looks, is it the ability to ride out a storm in the Artic eventually, is it lots of cabins for occasional guests, is it sheer speed?
 
Carib said:
Unless you provide a few more criteria and preferences, you will just get a random list of various 40ish foot yachts. A Bowman 40 is nothing like an Arcona, for example.. what are you looking for?
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Hi , I have sailed numerous charter boats in solent and med. Usually Barvarias or Oceanis. I have no real experience of other boats. I like the idea of the DS layout as a way to extend the sailing season with a wife who doesn't like the cold and wet. I would go for comfort over pure speed. . what other questions ?
 
Why c 40ft?
Nothing wrong with 40ft, but telling us how you decided that's the right size might tell us a bit about what sort of boat.

I'm not sure how I'd answer the question 'what ~40ft boat would be best for me?', deciding what might be best for someone else is a big ask.
 
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simonizy said:
i am looking to buy a ( probably new ) c 40ft yacht to sail with 2 - 4 people, mostly coastal and channel sailing . i have looked at Moody 41ds, Jenneau 410 , hanse 418 , dufour 412 . I have discounted Oceanis / bavaria i liked the Moody but is it worth the extra money ? any advice - what else should I look at ?
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I have a Hanse 418 that I bought new in 2019, so two seasons in now and I can’t speak highly enough about the boat to be honest, or the UK dealer IMG. Through Covid I’ve ended up doing a lot of singlehanded sailing this season. Don’t be deceived by the fancy interior, this is a boat that is happiest being on passage offshore.

She's a delight to sail and very well mannered. I’ve sailed lots of boats and never known one to defy the rule of physics quite like it - overpressed at 30 deg heel and she still doesn't round up, in short she is extremely predictable and very easy to sail. Loads of space and very comfortable down below too,.

If the below video works, you will see how little the helms move, and despite the flat water, this was pretty gusty conditions

 
TernVI said:
Why c 40ft?
Nothing wrong with 40ft, but telling us how you decided that's the right size might tell us a bit about what sort of boat.

I'm not sure how I'd answer the question 'what ~40ft boat would be best for me?', deciding what might be best for someone else is a big ask.
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hi thanks - after looking at and sailing many boats from 34 to 50 this size seems to be a good compromise. If there are only 2 of us its not too big but gives us enough space for up to 6 . I like space in cockpit and saloon plus reasonable speed. ££ in terms of purchase plus marina fees also a consideration. I was just interested in opinions in which boats to research
 
matt1 said:
I have a Hanse 418 that I bought new in 2019, so two seasons in now and I can’t speak highly enough about the boat to be honest, or the UK dealer IMG. Through Covid I’ve ended up doing a lot of singlehanded sailing this season. Don’t be deceived by the fancy interior, this is a boat that is happiest being on passage offshore.

She's a delight to sail and very well mannered. I’ve sailed lots of boats and never known one to defy the rule of physics quite like it - overpressed at 30 deg heel and she still doesn't round up, in short she is extremely predictable and very easy to sail. Loads of space and very comfortable down below too,.

If the below video works, you will see how little the helms move, and despite the flat water, this was pretty gusty conditions

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Thanks - very impressive and glad to hear that IMG are good too.
 
Having acquired a 12.8 m Moody boat we went through this process about 5 years ago .
First you have to decide how racy or cruiser you are and how your crew likes to sail and expectations as to layout below . At the upper end you have hall berg ,Ancona and xc ( a confusing variety of designations in xc but xc 42 say ) Ancona is probably more sporty but I would start by looking at the xc as a boat benchmark others by. You also have sporty pogo to view aroun the 12m level . In the uk rustler would be choice at 42 but less space maybe below if a lot heavier than other makes
You can also consider a Southerly if lifting keel appeals to go down canals etc dry out on beach.
A self tacking headsail is advantage for small crew numbers as found on Hanse or Moody.
Then you have to consider if you like centre cockpit or after cockpit ( just look on this forum using search engine for opposing views) but if you want centre cockpit narrows choices( there are a few centre cockpits out there Clearly where you sail might influence what works for you but for the med a one level Moody 41 dis is great but The actual kit is very much the same as a cheaper moody 41ac or a Hanse even if it is heavier with bigger diesel and smaller sail area I suspect so not a sporty boat perhaps. If the ds idea appeals a far cheaper version made in Spain’s around41 ft can be viewed at Haslar marina by another builder.
Another option is to look at aluminium french boats -not so popular in uk maybe but loved in France . Also look across at US boats as some good solid 42 yachts built there,
Lastly a whole range of Dutch built yachts so look at a few Dutch brokers. Clearly a degree of cost is down to kit so once you start adding a generator,,water maker freezer and small washing machine say Plus the karver crusing Shute and canvas work it adds a large chunk to base costs.
The best way to start is to write down features which appeal though eg cabin numbers, and look at a few boats down at Hamble
 
simonizy said:
Hi , I have sailed numerous charter boats in solent and med. Usually Barvarias or Oceanis. I have no real experience of other boats. I like the idea of the DS layout as a way to extend the sailing season with a wife who doesn't like the cold and wet. I would go for comfort over pure speed. . what other questions ?
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You mention your wife in this and therein your answer may lie in her preferences as you could be out on the water a more often if she is happy and warm. A fast sleek boat with an open cockpit and reluctant partner makes for a nice marina home!

The Moody DS or Southerly 42 (aft cockpit deck saloon) might be right option for you both.
 
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