Being retired; painful

[dgadee]

But what you say is true of most jobs - no need for (or even room for) ‘intelligence’/creative thought. It’s clearly not ‘intelligent’, but that it will be exploited to do most of the work seems inevitable. So not just a bubble, but not the complete answer… yet.

Of course there is intelligence in work. There is simply rule following in a programmed system. That's why setting up large scale systems (which UK governments love) leads to so many practical problems. Just look at the NAO reports on government computerisation projects. Are the people who produced these really going to get AI operating? I think not. They take the money and leave the tax payer out of pocket.

 

[newtothis]

Journalists are making hay! Turn everything into AI and publishers rip your arm off for it. The classic case of a bubble.

Speaking as a journalist: bollix. AI is just another thing designed to demean and diminish the job. Just look at the pure shite put out on search engine summaries that stops people going to the source.
To repurpose Frank Zappa's line about rock journalism, AI journalism is computers that can't write talking to computers with nothing to say for computers that can't read.
Fortunately, I'm so old I can remember blockchain; whenever anyone I interview tells me about their AI strategy, I quote them back the same thing they said about blockchain five or six years ago, then ask them how that's going. Reader, it isn't.

 

[Bouba]

Sorry

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Oh dear. Resorting to deprecation and derision.

 

[PabloPicasso]

Yes. So my GP agrees.

I did look up tennis (I have been told that exercise that is of interest is likely to to be of good or greater use) but the prices are very steep where I live; simply to hire a court for an hour let alone join a club. Squash would probably kill me AND my bank account. I should sell my excellent racquet.

Then of course is the body up to it? Try and find out. I chose to retire early so most parts still work…

I wish I could go skiing but not sure that will ever happen again.

I am a good house DIYer; better than many contractors I have paid, but it does become a bore.

Car maintenance I used to enjoy but it is so much more complicated and difficult now even though I have some electrical diagnostic tools.

Pondering…

Modern cars are designed to be difficult to work on for the DIYer. You have to dismantle reams of things to do the simplest jobs sometimes.

Engime bays are built like they've been put through a compactor.

 

[dgadee]

Speaking as a journalist: bollix. AI is just another thing designed to demean and diminish the job. Just look at the pure shite put out on search engine summaries that stops people going to the source.
To repurpose Frank Zappa's line about rock journalism, AI journalism is computers that can't write talking to computers with nothing to say for computers that can't read.
Fortunately, I'm so old I can remember blockchain; whenever anyone I interview tells me about their AI strategy, I quote them back the same thing they said about blockchain five or six years ago, then ask them how that's going. Reader, it isn't.

I used to write for The Guardian and The Times on such topics. Editors want something which sells. AI hype currently sells.

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Modern cars are designed to be difficult to work on for the DIYer. You have to dismantle reams of things to do the simplest jobs sometimes.

Engime bays are built like they've been put through a compactor.

They don’t need “work” in the same way as the rubbish that was foisted on us in the past.

 

[Poignard]

They don’t need “work” in the same way as the rubbish that was foisted on us in the past.

You've got a point there.

I can't remember when I last had a car that needed a de-coke, or clutch plates renewing, or that had a leaking radiator.

Modern cars are very trouble-free.

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Yup that’s what I meant.

 

[Bouba]

You've got a point there.

I can't remember when I last had a car that needed a de-coke, or clutch plates renewing, or that had a leaking radiator.

Modern cars are very trouble-free.

And EVs are more modern and more trouble free.
In fact as bonus they don’t need servicing.
Tires need rotating…every four years check the brake fluid is still good….and for those poor sods who live where they salt the roads a brake check

 

[Poignard]

Not only cars.

Televisions, washing machines, toasters, fridges, etc., all last for years without needing repair.

Things are designed to be reliable nowadays.

 

[Wansworth]

Not only cars.

Televisions, washing machines, toasters, fridges, etc., all last for years without needing repair.

Things are designed to be reliable nowadays.

Probably designed to last but they didn’t. ……were we wrong about built in obselesence

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Not only cars.

Televisions, washing machines, toasters, fridges, etc., all last for years without needing repair.

Things are designed to be reliable nowadays.

Except maybe for the BMW 7 series, in my recent and very much undesirable experience. I had 18 faults in 15 months and spent more time off the road than on, a £90k car so not a simple machine, but should at least have worked. BMW could not have given a smaller and more useless f*ck. Dealer was awesome but ultimately useless in the face of the corporate machine. Lawyers prevailed and BMW bought it back from their own leasing company.

 

[newtothis]

I used to write for The Guardian and The Times on such topics. Editors want something which sells. AI hype currently sells.

The use case for AI in journalism:
Chicago Sun-Times prints summer reading list full of fake books

 

[PabloPicasso]

They don’t need “work” in the same way as the rubbish that was foisted on us in the past.

Yes, this is often true. I recently part exed my 19 year old ford focus estate with 200k+ miles on the clock and the dealer's comment was that it "drives well".

In my 17 Years of ownership I recall the big bills were:
. Power steering seals
. Replace main instrument pod
. Replace plastic spigot where cooling pipe meets engine (part cheap but lots of labour)
. Timing chain & tensioner (again labour main cost)

Apart from that it was just tyres & brakes, two batteries, and an alternator. Never even needed an exhaust pipe. Most reliable car I've owned and hence, longest time of ownership. No rust, even where there was some minor bodywork damage.

 

[GEM43]

This is fast turning in to a car thread.....my strategy is to buy old, quality, low mileage. My then decade old bmw had done 19k miles when I bought it, it had been loved and was in showroom condition. Cost was 1/3rd of new price.

 

[Bouba]

This is fast turning in to a car thread.....my strategy is to buy old, quality, low mileage. My then decade old bmw had done 19k miles when I bought it, it had been loved and was in showroom condition. Cost was 1/3rd of new price.

No matter how old, new or looked after…it’s still a bmw…so what’s the point

 

[GEM43]

No matter how old, new or looked after…it’s still a bmw…so what’s the point

Don’t understand your point.

 

[benjenbav]

Oh dear. Resorting to deprecation and derision.

In the words of the late Ian Dury:

‘Derision and contumely,
Things that nauseate’

Always wanted to have a chance to quote that lyric.

 

[Mister E]

AI well having met a few of the computer programmer lot and seen some of their creations it will never work properly.
Apple couldn't even get one of the phones it made to make actual phone calls.
Computer needs should be kept in a box until they get competent.