Pete7
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The insurance assessor is going to have some fun with this one. How much is a new mast in todays money?
Pete
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Blueboatman
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Maybe flotilla boy racers should have airbags fitted to the bow when racing?
By the way that IS a light laminate when coupled to that particular stainless steel projectile. Doesn't matter which builder happened to make it.
I see no evidence of any tapered glass work, localised reinforcing or bog standard rovings in the hull laminate. Does anyone else?
Of course it is going to fail catastrophically and as a clean fracture when built like that and then rammed into another object.
But, hey ho, a 'once-in-a-lifetime' mistake by a crew. Wonder what the charter deposit is these days?
Anyone remember the Dehler demo video where the factory repeatedly abuse the boat by ramming things ?
By the way that IS a light laminate when coupled to that particular stainless steel projectile. Doesn't matter which builder happened to make it.
I see no evidence of any tapered glass work, localised reinforcing or bog standard rovings in the hull laminate. Does anyone else?
Of course it is going to fail catastrophically and as a clean fracture when built like that and then rammed into another object.
But, hey ho, a 'once-in-a-lifetime' mistake by a crew. Wonder what the charter deposit is these days?
Anyone remember the Dehler demo video where the factory repeatedly abuse the boat by ramming things ?
Bosun Higgs
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mast about 5k for a 35 footer but they might well need to add boom, standing rigging and sails not to mention things like radar scanner. So anywhere from 5k to 15k
If its a boatyard job, add 50% min.
Bosun Higgs
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It's an odd looking failure isnt it? Looks like a straight line on the starboard side as if the bow fitting had been rammed from that side. And the laminate looks as if if split down the middle ie hadnt bonded between layers. Finally its obvious the bottom bolt hole had been leaking
But we dont know what the initial damage was, nor how hard they had cranked up the backstay. And since Bavs dont have a reputation for failure (p*ss taking apart Photodog
), I can only assume that the initial damage was serious.I wonder if the incident would have been reported had it been a Bendytoy? Mind you, it undoubtedly would have been reported had it been an HR.
Ubergeekian
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As school teachers tend to say, it's how you (plural) react that just encourages them. People tell us Westerly owners that our keels fall off: we smile, nod and move on. People tell us Victoria owners that our boats are built agriculturally: we shrug and point at the Lloyd's certificate. People tell us Hunter 490 owners that our boats are dinghies: we wind up the keel and snigger at mooring charges. But tell a Bavaria owner that his boat is anything other than the most wonderful creation of the world's yachtbuilding industry and you instantly get a highly rewarding and deeply amusing combination of scarlet face, throbbing vein in the forehead and whimpering fury.
It's almost as if there's something to be ashamed of.
Three ... two ... one ...
Only one person can make you feel bad about your choice of boat, and that's yourself. If you are confident in your choice - just as I am confident in my choice - then other people's opinions are irrelevant.
Searush
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I thought if you kept tightening the backstay then eventually you would shoot the mast down through the hull.
One hell of an expensive way to go spear fishing ....
Ok, I know you are joking, but;
it depends on many things. Any dinks or weaknesses in your mast & it will crumple like a stamped on beer can. And, as we have seen, any weakness in your bow fitting or bow & that will rip out. Or, the stays themselves may well break or pull out of the fittings. The keel is generally the strongest bit of the boat, but many masts are deck mounted (mine is) and the forces may be taken by a keel mounted post or strong bulwarks - or they may not!
Mr Cassandra
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Fire99
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Had a read back and yeah perhaps I was a touch techy this morning. So apologies ol son for my first thread which did bite a bit.
However I stand by my 2nd post. I don't really see what the point of the thread was other than to make another wave at Bavaria but perhaps that's just how I read it.
However the bottom line of this thread, regardless of the layup of Bavarias apears to be that the skipper took a big ol bump and made an unwise decision to continue racing.
photodog
Lord High Commander of Upper Broughton and Gunthor
Yes, But its still not very nice to come into someplace... and then start slaggin off someones boat is it? Its just rude!
Madhatter
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As a complete novice when it comes to boats I have no opinion about any particular make , but as someone who deals with structures/stresses on a regular basis and has to find any problems that could arise I believe that (after examining the pictures) there are a few fundamental weaknesses in the bow shown, especially considering all the different functions that are likely to put stress on such a small area.Under normal circumstances everything would appear to be adequate but time -conditions-and any deviation from the norm was just waiting to jump out and bite you because no "belt and braces" were included in the design or were missed out in the build, I suspect that many boats also suffer the same lack of b&b.
grumpygit
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You need to calm down a bit matey.......
If you only realised that Squeaky does not engage in TROLLING but offers genuine and informative posts and what anyone writes on here it is their opinions anyway.
You are been a hypocrite because of your rude retaliation. This is a Forum not a Bavaria owners club........
Sorry to disapoint your so sensitive soul but I would not like to own a Bavaria in any shape, form or price, my opinion ok..... They are a cheap and usable mass produced yacht and I have to appreciate that part.
Do I need to expand more ?
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photodog
Lord High Commander of Upper Broughton and Gunthor
Have you even bothered to read my posts??
I frankly could not give a stuff what sort of boat you choose to own... Bavaria or some posh greenhouse, whatever takes your fancy its up to you.
At no point do I defend the Bavaria brand in my posts.. go back and read them if you dont believe me.
What I objected to was the fact that he posted a unsubstantiated and frankly malicious email which had no bearing in reality whasoever.
As for his posts being informative and genuine opinions... well that was neither purported to be his opinion, nor was it informative, as it was a pack of rubbish.
The point is... if you are going to post something, make sure its not malicious gossip.
As for Rude retaliation... Were was I rude? I was not the one who started using obscenties. In fact, if you can be bothered to read my posts properly, you will note that I thought the OP was "Being Straight" and that he just needed to ensure that when he posted he used better judgment.
I think it is bad form to slag off someone elses boat.. no one comes on here to be made to feel bad about their pride and joy... but if you read my posts properly, then you will see that this was not specifically directed at anyone in particular.
Do you need to expand more? No, the view from your lofty perch is pretty clear!
Squeaky
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Good evening:
Photodog: You are a p**t in my personal opinion and it doesn't surprise me to discover that you own a Bavaria.
I attempted to post a copy of an e-mail which was sent to me with attached images for the information of all members with no intention other than that however all that has happened is that I have been lectured by you and my intentions questioned.
As I suggested earlier, do me a favour and stay away from anything further I should post of this forum.
Cheers
Squeaky
Photodog: You are a p**t in my personal opinion and it doesn't surprise me to discover that you own a Bavaria.
I attempted to post a copy of an e-mail which was sent to me with attached images for the information of all members with no intention other than that however all that has happened is that I have been lectured by you and my intentions questioned.
As I suggested earlier, do me a favour and stay away from anything further I should post of this forum.
Cheers
Squeaky
photodog
Lord High Commander of Upper Broughton and Gunthor
If you cant take the heat Squeeky, stay out of the kitchen.
Viking
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But then again!
A friend flow a cruising chute using the bow roller (tack point) of his Bavaria and it lifted the deck off the hull about an inch or so a good half metre from the bow along the deck-hull joint. This I did see!!
A friend flow a cruising chute using the bow roller (tack point) of his Bavaria and it lifted the deck off the hull about an inch or so a good half metre from the bow along the deck-hull joint. This I did see!!
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Ubergeekian
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Thing is, he wasn't slagging off your boat, and he wasn't slagging off you. Either of those would be a bit rude, but saying "Bavarias are a bit lightly built for my taste" is a long way from saying "Your boat's a flimsy piece of **** and you're an idiot for buying it."
Relax, man. It's only the internet. Time to go sailing!
Ludd
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Advice needed
I have been anchored all weekend in Rothesay Bay,between two Bavarias and in close proximity to another three!
Should I now have my stemhead inspected----it might be catching---
I have been anchored all weekend in Rothesay Bay,between two Bavarias and in close proximity to another three
!Should I now have my stemhead inspected----it might be catching---
photodog
Lord High Commander of Upper Broughton and Gunthor
I have been anchored all weekend in Rothesay Bay,between two Bavarias and in close proximity to another three
Should I now have my stemhead inspected----it might be catching---
Stempox, a close relative of the polyestermite, but native to central Germany.
Ludd
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Christofe Rassy is German,maybe that explains the delaminating HRs
Same design office as well
Thank Gawd mine was by Enderlein!
theforeman
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good advice - take it.