Bavaria 33 Cruiser

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I've seen these advertised in this month's PBO. A brand new 33 footer can be had for £54,900 according to the ad.

I've just done a quick check, and I could get a 10 year marine mortgage for £60k with a £12k deposit. Somewhat hefty APR of 8.2% typical and monthly payments of £582.37 on a £48k loan. If I was going to buy this boat to live on, I would be able to pay this price for the boat.

Now to my questions:

1) Anyone know the Bavaria range? Are they decent boats?

2) The standard equipment says it has cold water, I believe. Would I be able to ask for the boat with both hot and cold water? And what about a shower in the heads?

3) Similar to previous, what about heating? Could I ask the manufacturer to make the boat with heating built in?

4) How crazy is this idea?

Cheers!
 
All of your requests are available as options, some being good value, others a blatant rip off. A friend ordered a Bav 30 at SIBS and has found the level of service from Opal to be superb.

In terms of what they're actually like, his description was solid - it's reasonably heavy for a modern 30', level of finish is far better than they used to be and it sailed reasonably well although in fairness the wind didn't get above 12knts.

In your circumstances, where else are you going to find a brand new 33' boat for that sort of money? Think of those lovely warranties - in my mind that adds up to trouble free sailing for 12mths on gear, 24mths on engine & 5 years on the hull. The deck gear is even top brand names. Can't go wrong really!

I'm not buying one 'cos I don't like modern production yachts, they simply don't sail well enough IMHO, so we'll be sticking with our beautiful Twister.
 
Are you sure you can live on a 33 footer? We are moving into a 36 footer and think it's only just big enough. Is there just yourself?

Pops
 
We are currently looking at the Bav 30 or Bav 33. For the money I really think it is a great deal and good value. As NAS as already said you will need to add about £10k to the price to get the boat up to spec etc.

Why not go and have a look at them at Opal and see for yourself.

Good luck!
 
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Are you sure you can live on a 33 footer? We are moving into a 36 footer and think it's only just big enough. Is there just yourself?

Pops

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Yeah, would be just myself. I think it should be big enough for me, and I should also be able to sail the thing on my own. I've heard that anything bigger gets a little tough to sail on your own.

I'm glad to see the extra bits are available as options. Hopefully they'll be at the London Boat Show, and I'll pop round to take a look at them.
Cheers for the tips, guys!
 
Cardo,
I was at the Genoa boatshow yesterday and I was also stunned by the convenient cost of the Bavs. I was looking at a 37. Had all that I was looking for 3 double cabins. L shaped kitchen and it costs €100,000 (£70k) add on £10k for extras and it looks amazing value. The only bad thing was the anchor setup at the bow but the rest looked OK. I had a look at the Dufours, Jeanneaus, Beneteaus, Hanse..... and quite honestly in terms of cost/benefit the Bavs beat them all. Opinions of other????


BB
 
In my opinion a single person could live happily on a 25 footer but as soon as there are two of you you need three times the space. In the summer your space increases because you can sit in the sun but if you are working and have a full social life, I reckon the thirty footer you are looking at will be more than fine all year round.
 
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In my opinion a single person could live happily on a 25 footer but as soon as there are two of you you need three times the space. In the summer your space increases because you can sit in the sun but if you are working and have a full social life, I reckon the thirty footer you are looking at will be more than fine all year round.

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Wicked.
So, I've come across the official Bavaria page, and the optional extras page here
So, out of those things on the list, what would you guys reckon is a must on a liveaboard ship? And on a general cruising ship, too. (please separate them into living/cruising categories, if you do!)

So far, the warm water, shower in heads, and hot air heating look like a must. Though, is the hot air heater the best way to go? It seems to use diesel as fuel, is that a good choice? Or would electric be better? As for the shower in the heads, there's an optional extra outlet that goes into the holding tank. If I'm living in a marina berth, would this be a good idea? Or would it be ok for the refuse water to go into the river water?
Thanks for any advice!
 
if you are living onboard don't forget you needs a lot moe stoage space than you think so check the BAV has enough. when I was single I lived on a SIGMA 362 and people said I was crazy but it workde for me including winters in Norway. Soon as we were two we needed more space - so we traded up to a 47 footer.

Don't tell the finance company you intend to live on the boat - they will not lend you the money. Simply arrange the finance while living ashore then tell them later about your new address........
 
The thing is,in price, Bavs are wiping the floor with Bennys and Jennys et al,as we know, but they`re also wiping the floor with the used ones. Who`s going to pay £48000 for a 5 year old First 31.5(Yachtsnet) when he can sail away a brand spanking new Bav 33 for just a few grand more ?
Where will it all end ?
Worth a thread on its own, really.
Pete
 
True - Bavaria is eating into the used boat market.
Quite a few people commented on why they should pay roughly the same price for a 15 year old Etap 38 as they would now pay for new Bavaria 34.

Etap and Bavaria both build yachts, just the same as Citroen and Mercedes both make cars. Would you compare those?
My experience of Bavaria is limited to two delivery trips - I have seen enough.
 
Will,

I wouldn't argue with you. Etap and Bavaria are building at different price points for different markets....

Only comment I would add, having owned both Mercedes and Citroens, is that the Mercedes was good and solid, felt safe, but never exciting, whereas I wouldn't have wanted a huge accident in the Citroen, but it was a whole load more fun to drive, considerably more comfortable, better equipped and half the price of the Mercedes.... interesting analogy isn't it.....

FWIW.... I wouldn't compare a Bavaria 34, and an ETAP 38..... different boats in my mind.....
 
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if you are living onboard don't forget you needs a lot moe stoage space than you think so check the BAV has enough. when I was single I lived on a SIGMA 362 and people said I was crazy but it workde for me including winters in Norway. Soon as we were two we needed more space - so we traded up to a 47 footer.

Don't tell the finance company you intend to live on the boat - they will not lend you the money. Simply arrange the finance while living ashore then tell them later about your new address........

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The Bavaria looks like it has quite a bit of storage space. I can see drawers and lockers everywhere in those pictures. Looking forward to seeing the real thing at the LBS.

As for finance, that's cool, I'll officially be moving in with a friend of mine, and "temporarily" crashing at the boat, with a mail redirect to the marina. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
While getting some repaire done this summer near Oban I asked the engineer which boats would you avoid as you must have a good idea ,as you repair them
R .Bavaria,Hanse
q.What would you recommend,
R. Much as I personaly dont like their style ,Moody are good quality
 
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While getting some repaire done this summer near Oban I asked the engineer which boats would you avoid as you must have a good idea ,as you repair them
R .Bavaria,Hanse
q.What would you recommend,
R. Much as I personaly dont like their style ,Moody are good quality

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Did he say why he didn't like Bavarias?
 
A marine Mortgage should be available for less than that.
I am paying 2% above FHBR with Bank of Scotland Marine, which equates to appx 6.9% apr.

We all haggle on the boats, but forget to haggle on the money as well. 2% over is what you should aim for, though they will start at 3%+ over.....
 
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A marine Mortgage should be available for less than that.
I am paying 2% above FHBR with Bank of Scotland Marine, which equates to appx 6.9% apr.

We all haggle on the boats, but forget to haggle on the money as well. 2% over is what you should aim for, though they will start at 3%+ over.....

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Oh, no doubt. The rate I quoted was just the one I saw online for a quick online quote. I used it as an example of the maximum I'd be paying. And if I can afford that, I can afford a more realistic rate! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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Will,

I wouldn't argue with you.


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Good man

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Only comment I would add, having owned both Mercedes and Citroens, is that the Mercedes was good and solid, felt safe, but never exciting,

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As someone round here has in his signature "At sea boring is good, exciting is bad"
 
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