Bargin Sealine ?

oldgit said:
Can only presume that the boat has been driven too hard in lumpy conditions,yes we all know that it should not happen,but there are tales of other boats from different builders which have suffered a very similar problem.
The problem would be that any builder which had the guts to placard the the helm thus.....

"Oi Moron if you go too fast in bad conditions with this boat you will eventually break it "

Would not sell many boats ?
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Quite so! In rough conditions and when driven too hard the skipper is meant to break before the boat.

Buy a make, that doesn't break!
 
Dave_Snelson said:
Buy a make, that doesn't break!
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Most boats will break if they are heavily abused !

A friend I know took his dad's 35+ foot Sunseeker into the Solent, and they hit a largish wave in what could be classed as a unsympathetic manner, and did untold amount of damage to the hull. It was the last time he was ever entrusted with something of value by his dad!
 
Elza_Skip said:
Our S23 has also had issues with stress cracking. There was a patch that needed fixing when we bought here at 2 years old and as we look to sell her 4 years later it's back again. We avoid slamming (SWMBO does not like it!) but it seems an occupational hazard of small Sealines
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Will have a good look around ours on Friday then!!!
 
petem said:
I'm sorry but that's a complete load of old codswhollop! Anyone who believes that Fairline and Princess boats suffer from the same level of hull cracking is deluded. If you don't believe me then try searching for problem Fairlines and Princesses on here and you'll find virtually none (regardless of age).

Pete
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How many boats under 30' do Fairline and Princess make?

Little sports boats, 2000kg , light layup to maximise performance, driven hard and bounced of the waves by enthusiastic new to boating owner.

40' plus, 9000kg upwards, heavy layup as percentage of weight is irrelevant, driven by older more sensible types, probably with a fair bit of experience.

Which one is most likely to break?

Most of what is being reported is in the sub 25' class where fairline and Princess have not been with a fast modern sports cruiser.

How many problems do Sealine have with stress cracking in the 40' plus boats?
 
petem said:
I'm sorry but that's a complete load of old codswhollop! Anyone who believes that Fairline and Princess boats suffer from the same level of hull cracking is deluded. If you don't believe me then try searching for problem Fairlines and Princesses on here and you'll find virtually none (regardless of age).

Pete
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Pete, you should check out the second hand boat reviews in MB&Y sometime. I don't recall reading a review of a used Sunseeker that didn't warn about looking for stress cracking and other damage if the previous owner had driven the boat 'enthusiastically'.

I'm quite happy to admit, as a Sealine owner, that they're not as heavily built as Fairlines and Princesses, but light construction does not always mean weakness, and heavy layup does not always equate to strength. Our old Fairline Targa had major cracking to the cabin sole at the aft end of the sofa, and that was a known problem with them. That is a design issue, not a layup one, and interestingly in some cases increasing the laminate thickness can be counter-productive.
 
Strange that, I just did as instructed by petem and put a search in for stress cracking to confirm that Princess and Fairline never have a problem, First post that came up after this thread was a Fairline with cracking to the stiffeners.

Then again it must be "a complete load of old codswhollop!" as Fairline and Princess don't have those sort of problems
 
How many problems do Sealine have with stress cracking in the 40' plus boats?

If they dont its probably cos they are all whizzing along flopped on one side due to chine riding :) :):)
 
Fairline/Princess

Pete, you should check out the second hand boat reviews in MB&Y sometime. I don't recall reading a review of a used Sunseeker that didn't warn about looking for stress cracking and other damage if the previous owner had driven the boat 'enthusiastically'.

Wiggo give 'im a break he never mentioned Sunseeker :)
 
JKay said:
Pete, you should check out the second hand boat reviews in MB&Y sometime. I don't recall reading a review of a used Sunseeker that didn't warn about looking for stress cracking and other damage if the previous owner had driven the boat 'enthusiastically'.

Wiggo give 'im a break he never mentioned Sunseeker :)
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When someone comes out with such a bold and inaccurate statement, they don't deserve to be given a break!!
 
There are Sunseekers that have stress cracks but this is rare as most of them have spontaneously combusted and burnt out by then. Seriously, I think that Sunseekers are driven particularly hard and this might explain any cracking that can be found.

I still maintain that for ever report on here of a Fairline or Princess with problems there are 10 for Sealines.

Pete
 
The Fairline Targa 28/29 has a weakspot, as mentioned cabin sole, aft end of the sofa, this is caused by caulking the joint between hull and inner moulding, it is cosmetic and only effects the internal moulding, no stress fractures to the hull.

Its the external hull surface that has to be free of such defects, once stress crazing below the waterline has been found a surveyor will do moisture checks to compare with control readings from the deck, in the cases that we have found the cracks it has been shown that the moisture readings are way higher in the areas of stress crazing than that of the areas around it without.

I don't agree that sealine are exclusive in sub 30ft cruisers, were talking early 90's here so sunfury, Targa 27, 28/29, Princess 266, 286 (earlier) and many early sealines that have no problems reported.

It's a worrying trend though that many early 90's sealines do suffer crazing to the hull, I wouldn't class the 330 in the original post as sub 30ft or sporty and the comment that it's a common problem in the advert text does nothing to support owners of similar models.

My comments are from factual survey findings on three sealine's that I instructed to be surveyed, I have not added comments made by our surveyor verbally in which he was more vocal on build quality.

Other manufacturers will have boats that have similar problems but reports are comparably rare, these cases could have been boats pushed beyond their design limit, but sealine's threshold for where damage would occur does seem to be lower.
 
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ian38_39 said:
Most of what is being reported is in the sub 25' class where fairline and Princess have not been with a fast modern sports cruiser.

How many problems do Sealine have with stress cracking in the 40' plus boats?
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How many fast sports cruisers under 25' have princess and fairline made then?
 
That's quality!

Youse mean the 30 Knot Family.

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Dont think you can really count the 20 as any thing other than flat calm and it would be at the bottom, most of the others were also predominantly river boats, sprint, carrera and furys the exception.

Seem to remember seeing a used boat report on the Fury's though, warning of the dangers of stress cracking if they have been used hard.
 
ian38_39 said:
Dont think you can really count the 20 as any thing other than flat calm and it would be at the bottom, most of the others were also predominantly river boats, sprint, carrera and furys the exception.

Holidays are almost the same size as a s23 and they dont get stress cracks..............................they just damp bilges:blush:

Seem to remember seeing a used boat report on the Fury's though, warning of the dangers of stress cracking if they have been used hard.

You really are struggling now,my Carrera is 20 years old and no cracks
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;)
 
Funny enough I had a guy down last weekend to quote on some cracking on the inside of my hull, turns out to be more cosmetic than structural. He mentioned that it is quite common for him to repair more sealines than other boats. Also a couple of years ago after I had my antifouling stripped right back I found crazing along the chine, it was repaired and not too costly (few hundred pounds). I had my Sealine S24 since new and I know it is not driven hard but you can't avoid slamming evey time.

Maybe the reason Sealine are reported more on stress cracking is because prehaps they sell more boats then the other makes, particurlary the sub 30footers. Just look around the south coast there seem to be a lot more Sealines than most other makes.
 
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