Back to the UK for a winter refit

[AndreasHallberg]

Hello, we recently choose Silvertex for our Bavaria 35 Sport. We are really happy with the result. :encouragement:
We also repainted the blue line on the hull to gray color and made a new canopy and had teak deck mounted. Looking forward to summer...

 

[Andrew M]

Loving the sound of that retrim in Sterling & Carbon, can't wait to see pics of that, it's just about the colours I'm looking to use for all our outside seating.. The project looks like it's coming along really well.

Andy

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

Wind instrumentation - if thats new it is a good addition.
I don't know if you have decided how to power the new electronics but I would give consideration two options - full and a minimalist option.
The idea is that at anchor, you run only the electronics that you need for safety.
These days an anchor watch app on a smart phone is as good as any chart plotter can provide - so no need for a power hungry plotter at anchor.
However, wind input/alarm is a great comfort and will allow you to sleep better at anchor.
Likewise (to a lesser extent) depth alarms would be useful to have running.
So, for me, this would mean two switches - one for the plotter (power hungry kit) and one for instrumentation.
I don't know if that is possible but I would like to keep any battery drain to a minimum.

The big one for me is wind - that is what is going to change any overnight anchoring plans.

I remember one night in your area (Iles de Lerins) when the wind (not forecast) built up at 3 o'clock in the morning - by 4 o'clock we headed back to Antibes.
In this example it would be the wind picking up that triggers the decision.
So, great addition but to be most effective you need to be able to run it at night.

Just a point

That is an excellent suggestion, and something I hadn't thought of. Thanks.

The wind instrumentation is new, and something I'd always wanted to put on the boat - so given that I'd made the decision to replace everything, it seemed opportune to get all the nice-to-haves as well, like the wind instrument and the chirp sonar.

It should be possible to separate plotter, autopilot, radar and sonar from instrumentation, wind and network. I do have two breakers available for this on the panel already.

One thing to consider though is how to present the wind data in the cabins. One choice is to power up the plotter and wifi to it - but this rather undermines your 'dark boat' philosophy. The other approach is to get another i70 display downstairs. How do you do it?

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

Loving the sound of that retrim in Sterling & Carbon, can't wait to see pics of that, it's just about the colours I'm looking to use for all our outside seating.. The project looks like it's coming along really well.

Andy

This is a very rough 5 minute mockup of the effect I'm after. (Ignore the front sunpad, I didn't bother with it...).

 

[Nick_H]

This is a very rough 5 minute mockup of the effect I'm after. (Ignore the front sunpad, I didn't bother with it...).

I like the way you've mocked up the driver's shirt as well

Seriously, it's going to look great.

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

I like the way you've mocked up the driver's shirt as well

Tee-hee, I completely didn't notice that! Oops.

Right, I need to get back to the workshop. The Jenolite is beckoning...

 

[vas]

That is an excellent suggestion, and something I hadn't thought of. Thanks.

The wind instrumentation is new, and something I'd always wanted to put on the boat - so given that I'd made the decision to replace everything, it seemed opportune to get all the nice-to-haves as well, like the wind instrument and the chirp sonar.

It should be possible to separate plotter, autopilot, radar and sonar from instrumentation, wind and network. I do have two breakers available for this on the panel already.

One thing to consider though is how to present the wind data in the cabins. One choice is to power up the plotter and wifi to it - but this rather undermines your 'dark boat' philosophy. The other approach is to get another i70 display downstairs. How do you do it?

Assuming there's an equivalent of the GMI10 or GMI20 on Raymarine, you just install one downstairs.
Don't know how the network is setup, but in my case which means Garmin NMEA2K, one GMI10 is in the bow cabin, can run anchor alarm, can show depth (and wind if I had the instrument ) picks up GPS signal from the mushroom, depth, temp, and speed from the through hull transducer, can also tell me when the black tank is full and when I'm out of water.
On the same backbone you could have many more things, like I have the Noland RS11 to interface and give me digital readouts of various engine gauges on the f/b, a big plotter etc.
Once there's current on the backbone, devices do work and send messages back and forth through what effectively is a canbus. The large plotter needs NOT be turned on as nothing terminates ON the plotter itself (ok radar usually does but don't want to see the radar at night, from the cabin, do you?)
As I said, dunno how Raymarine does it, but I guess it must be similar.

cheers

V.

PS. pods look v.good, need pics on the workshop though!

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

Hello, we recently choose Silvertex for our Bavaria 35 Sport. We are really happy with the result. :encouragement:
We also repainted the blue line on the hull to gray color and made a new canopy and had teak deck mounted. Looking forward to summer...

Andreas, that looks great - painting the hull is a big move and really works well imho. Your upholstery is a bit darker than mine - is it Titanium or Storm perhaps? Looks very nice with the teak cockpit table.

 

[AndreasHallberg]

Hello, it is Silvertex GRAPHITE we have in our boat.
We got an opportunity to paint the hull for a very good price through a friend and couldn't resist the offer

We think it looks more modern in grey.

 

[Hurricane]

That is an excellent suggestion, and something I hadn't thought of. Thanks.

The wind instrumentation is new, and something I'd always wanted to put on the boat - so given that I'd made the decision to replace everything, it seemed opportune to get all the nice-to-haves as well, like the wind instrument and the chirp sonar.

It should be possible to separate plotter, autopilot, radar and sonar from instrumentation, wind and network. I do have two breakers available for this on the panel already.

One thing to consider though is how to present the wind data in the cabins. One choice is to power up the plotter and wifi to it - but this rather undermines your 'dark boat' philosophy. The other approach is to get another i70 display downstairs. How do you do it?

Nick (Warlock) used to do it with a Raymarine Smart Controller.
See this page - at the bottom.
http://www.raymarine.com/view/?id=848

I think he set his alarms using it.

But that may only work on the old Seatalk (ST6000 etc) so might not work with i70 kit.
Might be worth checking if that would work on your system as well.
I nearly bought one myself but I don't think it would have worked on mine.
I thought that it had the intelligence to set and trigger alarms but I think it only repeats them.
But I believe you can use it to remotely set wind and depth alarms and then I believe that it will repeat the alarm which would probably do the trick.

Added benefit, you could steer your boat whilst sunning yourself on the foredeck!! - only Pootling of course!!

However, I think I would go with another fixed i70 in your cabin.
Although the Smart Controller is wireless and you wouldn't have to run more wires.

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

Assuming there's an equivalent of the GMI10 or GMI20 on Raymarine, you just install one downstairs.
Don't know how the network is setup, but in my case which means Garmin NMEA2K, one GMI10 is in the bow cabin, can run anchor alarm, can show depth (and wind if I had the instrument ) picks up GPS signal from the mushroom, depth, temp, and speed from the through hull transducer, can also tell me when the black tank is full and when I'm out of water.
On the same backbone you could have many more things, like I have the Noland RS11 to interface and give me digital readouts of various engine gauges on the f/b, a big plotter etc.
Once there's current on the backbone, devices do work and send messages back and forth through what effectively is a canbus. The large plotter needs NOT be turned on as nothing terminates ON the plotter itself (ok radar usually does but don't want to see the radar at night, from the cabin, do you?)
As I said, dunno how Raymarine does it, but I guess it must be similar.

cheers

V.

PS. pods look v.good, need pics on the workshop though!

Nick (Warlock) used to do it with a Raymarine Smart Controller.
See this page - at the bottom.
http://www.raymarine.com/view/?id=848

I think he set his alarms using it.

But that may only work on the old Seatalk (ST6000 etc) so might not work with i70 kit.
Might be worth checking if that would work on your system as well.
I nearly bought one myself but I don't think it would have worked on mine.
I thought that it had the intelligence to set and trigger alarms but I think it only repeats them.
But I believe you can use it to remotely set wind and depth alarms and then I believe that it will repeat the alarm which would probably do the trick.

Added benefit, you could steer your boat whilst sunning yourself on the foredeck!! - only Pootling of course!!

However, I think I would go with another fixed i70 in your cabin.
Although the Smart Controller is wireless and you wouldn't have to run more wires.

Aha gotcha. Ok - looks like another I70 is the answer. (Vas, the I70 is the Raymarine equivalent of the Garmin GMI20 - details here http://www.raymarine.co.uk/view/?id=1250).

Hurricane, ref steering from the foredeck, the new E125 has full wifi capability and you can effectively repeat the device onto an ipad - including pilot control. So I think I have that base covered

All I need to do now is make jrudges remote control, and that, combined with the ipad pilot control, should mean that I can bimble round the place, in full control, while sitting in a deckchair on the bow, sipping a G&T...

 

[Hurricane]

All I need to do now is make jrudges remote control, and that, combined with the ipad pilot control, should mean that I can bimble round the place, in full control, while sitting in a deckchair on the bow, sipping a G&T...

Yes - I know you are used to that kind of life

 

[benjenbav]

Curious about the wind instrumentation. If it tells you that it is blowing a hoolie wouldn't that be something you could tell anyway?

OK, not if you're downstairs with the stabs on full power whilst listening to Wagner turned up to 11 through your Dr Dre's but in other circs you would surely hear/see/feel it?

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

Yes - I know you are used to that kind of life

Ah, thanks for posting that again, that's one of my favourite pictures. Cruising the Cote d'Azur en route to Monaco, if memory serves. That was an amazing trip (for those that haven't seen it before, this was on jfm's Match 1, about four years ago iirc). Happy times.

 

[Elessar]

Aha gotcha. Ok - looks like another I70 is the answer. (Vas, the I70 is the Raymarine equivalent of the Garmin GMI20 - details here http://www.raymarine.co.uk/view/?id=1250).

Hurricane, ref steering from the foredeck, the new E125 has full wifi capability and you can effectively repeat the device onto an ipad - including pilot control. So I think I have that base covered

All I need to do now is make jrudges remote control, and that, combined with the ipad pilot control, should mean that I can bimble round the place, in full control, while sitting in a deckchair on the bow, sipping a G&T...

nope - pilot control disabled on the ipad and iphone i'm afraid. Most other things work. Only exception i can think of is powering up the radar.

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

Curious about the wind instrumentation. If it tells you that it is blowing a hoolie wouldn't that be something you could tell anyway?

OK, not if you're downstairs with the stabs on full power whilst listening to Wagner turned up to 11 through your Dr Dre's but in other circs you would surely hear/see/feel it?

Well, yes, sure, but I have helmed boats that have this instrumentation and I found it useful when mooring. I think in big wind you're right, it's a bit superfluous. I like Hurricane's idea of using it as an aide d'ancre as well, although I do completely admit that until he posted that suggestion it hadn't occurred to me at all.

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

nope - pilot control disabled on the ipad and iphone i'm afraid. Most other things work. Only exception i can think of is powering up the radar.

Oh I didn't know that. So I have to get a remote for the pilot as well? Bah. This is turning into quite an expensive series of posts!

 

[jfm]

Very nice stuff Jimmy
Yes if you have a switch for the n2k network power then separate switches for the big consumers like plotter and radar, you can run with very low power consumption by powering only the n2k network. This will power the gps mushroom, wind whirler and i70 screens. If the i70 works like gmi20 you can program anchor drag and wind alarm on the i70, without needing a powered up plotter. So another i70 in the cabin would be grand, if you can physically run the backbone cable there.
You won't get depth if that comes from a sonar box that ethernets to the plotter, unless you power both the sonar and the plotter. You could fit a simpler n2k transducer as well, and set the plotter to take depth from the sonar box in priority to the n2k transducer. Or just go without depth at night
In general navigation the wind meter is an excellent but of kit. Much underrated by power boaters imho

 

[jfm]

Yes - I know you are used to that kind of life

Nice pic hurricane. Happy times as Jimmy said. There is photo in the same set one hour later, in Monaco port when we had your JW, plus warlock and match in there, and Jimmy is still sitting in that same chair there on the foredeck!

 

[jfm]

nope - pilot control disabled on the ipad and iphone i'm afraid. Most other things work. Only exception i can think of is powering up the radar.

I didn't know that Elessar. That alone is a reason to get garmin not Raymarine imho. I often drive from the iPad on long open sea trips