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Dear All,

Can someone explain to me what these CE certificates mean? I have put an offer on a boat with B rating for 8 people. I gather B rating is what you should aim for when cruising along the coast or going across to France.
 
The CE rating is an indication only. A bayliner 245 is Cat B as is a Fairline Phantom 50 - both boats will handle weather and sea state differently but both have the same catagory for CE purposes.

Please dont ever go out just because you CE code says the boat will cope - it might not. A, B, C, or D can all be fine for all types of boating - oits not like ENCAP for cars where everything is tested to the same level - often the builder self certifies and will nominate a catagory.

Please, buy the boat on a sea trial, engineers report, survey and personal experience or the experiences of marine professionals. Please dont buy it on the CE category alone...
 
What sort of boat is it? We can probably give better feed-back on a particular model rather than a rating letter.
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The boat I am buying is a Diva 36, 2004, with twin yanmars 200hp each. The hull design is for max speed of 22knots, cruise around 14knots. She certainly looks built for it. We are having a survey and sea trial on Friday. Select yachts in Cornwall built her, they make the Cornish Crabber and Lindau
 
2004, as i understand it they built 3, but i could be wrong, i think they built to order. Only good for two people. it was at the Southampton boat show either 2003 or 2004.
 
There is a full explanation of the RCD categories on the RYA site, although it is raggie orientated. Few boats under about 34ft can meet the A (Ocean) requirements, B sounds reasonable. However, as others have said the categories are contentious and the labels used for them misleading. The boat you are looking at comes from a top rate designer and builder and should be quite capable of doing what you want.
 
At SIBS last year when we were looking at 20+ foot fishers.
I think it was Drago, who said their boat was the only B rated boat in its class. This was due to it's fast draining decks, and hence it's ability not to fill-up with water in big seas.

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The CE rating is an indication only. A bayliner 245 is Cat B as is a Fairline Phantom 50 - both boats will handle weather and sea state differently but both have the same catagory for CE purposes.

Please dont ever go out just because you CE code says the boat will cope - it might not. A, B, C, or D can all be fine for all types of boating - oits not like ENCAP for cars where everything is tested to the same level - often the builder self certifies and will nominate a catagory.

Please, buy the boat on a sea trial, engineers report, survey and personal experience or the experiences of marine professionals. Please dont buy it on the CE category alone...

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I think the confusion here exists because as you say builders can self certify themselves in some countries, in others its the Boat Builders Union and for e.g. in Italy it has to be submitted by RINA or a renowned Classification Society (lloys, BV, DNV etc etc) for new builds in Italy
 
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in Italy it has to be submitted...

[/ QUOTE ]True, but I wouldn't put my right hand on some of the Italian classifications either.
For instance, how Raffaelli managed to get a 12m fast planing boat CE-A marked is something that nobody in his right mind can understand.
Mind, nothing against the builder or the boat, it's just the classification that was ridiculous.
 
Dunno what the price is, or what your looking for. It looks a fine boat, but I suspect you could get a ery fine Princess or Fairline, that would return the same MPG at similar speeds, with uddeles more room and no extra marina costs.
 
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in Italy it has to be submitted...

[/ QUOTE ]True, but I wouldn't put my right hand on some of the Italian classifications either.
For instance, how Raffaelli managed to get a 12m fast planing boat CE-A marked is something that nobody in his right mind can understand.
Mind, nothing against the builder or the boat, it's just the classification that was ridiculous.

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hmm dont know much who does the class for Raffaelli but I believe it is RINA
if I remember correct the following extras are for A class versus B class from RINA, now these might be changed
- hand laminated hull with tickness strenght rules
- range over 200 miles
- tank model testing or real testing in Force 7 seas

there is some more but this is I remember out of my mind, I have been on board the small Raffaelli and it is a seaworthy shaft driven boat, but there is some other Class A 12 metres in the market if I am correct
still you can board a Class B craft and will take the sea better, but then it might fail in other departments to take Class A....
 
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