Attempt by our Committee to change the Club rules without notifying the members

[Pete54]

Re: imposters on this thread

I cannot resist, this is like watching car crash videos.

Given NickCs behaviours both initial and ongoing here, do you suppose he has actually provoked the vast majority of what he is complaining about?
Do you suppose that any organisation would want NickC as a member?
Do you imagine that NickC is the only voice of reason in this saga?

Could it just be his partners were so hacked off with him, they contrived a situation to get rid of him?

From reading his multitudinous posts I suspect I would!

 

[VicS]

Re: imposters on this thread

It started with a shared yacht that the Commodore added an ultra large o/b to & forbade the OP to use or remove said o/b

The mooring chain saga preceded the engine saga IIRC.

The engine saga seems to have started with a disagreement as to whether to use a small ( 4 hp ??) which Nick had "fettled up" and wanted to use or buy a larger engine which Nick did not want to invest in. I do not remember if the small engine came with the boat or if it was one Nick already owned. The latter I think.

The actual engine which was bought was physically too large. ( 15hp 4 stroke Yammie IIRC). I can only assume that someone made a complete cock up following bad advice or the pursuit of a "good deal" .
Why it was actually fitted when obviously unsuitable defies all rational explanation! It must have been a very expensive mistake and far to expensive to have been done just to spite Nick.

It's now been replaced with a smaller new Mariner (???) .

 

[VicS]

Re: imposters on this thread

I cannot resist, this is like watching car crash videos.

Given NickCs behaviours both initial and ongoing here, do you suppose he has actually provoked the vast majority of what he is complaining about?
Do you suppose that any organisation would want NickC as a member?
Do you imagine that NickC is the only voice of reason in this saga?
Could it just be his partners were so hacked off with him, they contrived a situation to get rid of him?

From reading his multitudinous posts I suspect I would!

Probably
Probably not.
No.... but is Nick's voice one of reason?
Very likely

 

[ianj99]

Re: Practical considerations on how to resolve

Mooring chain and big outboard saga…. This really is worthy of East Enders.

The producers of Lock Stock & Two Smoking... are negotiating for the screen play. Michael Gambon and Alan Rickman as the leads, with Robert Carlyle & Garry Oldman in supporting roles, with cameos from Sir Roger Moore and Captn Pugwash. They wanted Gregor Fisher buts he's busy with the remake of Whisky Galore...

 

[Tomahawk]

Re: imposters on this thread

Ah….

Sharing your yacht is more tricky than sharing your mistress.

 

[NickC]

Re: Practical considerations on how to resolve

Nick, my earnest suggestion is for you to seek urgent medical help for your OCD before you do any more damage to your mental health and that of those who cannot escape your obsession.

Ian, mind if ask for your opinion on a few questions.

Do you consider it acceptable to expel a member without any supporting evidence and refuse to allow Ordinary Members a vote on the matter, blatantly ignoring the Club rules?

Do you think that those who fitted that oversized outboard engine and then issued threats should be thrown out of the Club?

How about those responsible for the theft of money from the mooring chain, should they be thrown out of the Club?

Interesting that you consider a quest for justice and an attempt to clear ones name amounts to OCD but over eighty posts from a pair of people who have nothing to do with the Club in question does not, in your mind, amount to OCD.

 

[NickC]

Re: imposters on this thread

It started with a shared yacht that the Commodore added an ultra large o/b to & forbade the OP to use or remove said o/b

Here was my email asking that the outboard be removed:

From: Nick
Sent: 27 August 2014 21:26
To: {partner4}; {partner6}
Cc: {partner5}
Subject: Pandemonium outboard

{partner4}/{partner6},

Chaps, can we get this 15hp lump ashore as it is not working as it is stopping us from being able to use the boat.

We couldn't use it for half the year because there was no mooring and now that is back we still can't use it.

Many thanks,
Nick

And this was the response it prompted::disgust:

From: {partner6}
Sent: 27 August 2014 21:58
To: Nick
Cc: {partner4}; {partner5}
Subject: Re: Pandemonium outboard

Nick

The engine belongs to me and al only.

You do not have any permission inplied or otherwise to use it any use by you will be considered as theft and a breach of my rights to enjoy my property. You have no right whatsoever to interfere with my property and should you do so the appropriate civil tort will employed to recover by civil means appropriate damages at an agrivated level. You also have no right to gain directly or indirectly from any part or service what so ever from my engine.

Last year you were informed that in my case the i would make arrangements to supply a replacement engine. No reply was made by you so it is reasonable to assume that you raised no objectiobs. I would also draw your attention to an e mail quite rightly telling us that the insurance policy stipulates a back up engine needs to be fitted. Fit the engine you have worked on and are advertising as fully serviced. When we we working on the boat when it was out of the water we ensured the outboard bracket was fully working. So fit the engine and do not interfere with my property.

FYI. The parts are available for my and {partner4}s engine ufortunately i am out of the country when i return they will be fitted and this engine will return to full time service.

 

[fireball]

Re: Practical considerations on how to resolve

Nick

if you spent as much time getting the support of the Ordinary Members of that sailing club (as has been repeatedly suggested and ignored) as you seem to spend on here attacking anyone who doesn't imeaditately offer you tea and sympathy then perhaps you'd get your answers.

Your responses on here seem to akin to the kid who was pushed over in the playground, crying and refusing to get up or tell the teachers until those that pushed him over are punished.

The only people who can help you here are the Ordinary Members
If you can rally enough members to bring an EGM then go ahead - I wish you luck (honestly) - if the committee refuse an EGM when the members ask for one then it's down to the members to chuck out the committee at the AGM - rules or not - it's the members club ...

or, if you've got evidence of criminal behaviour, then the Police...

Whichever way, just posting on here how unfair it all is will not get you anywhere - if you can't see that then perhaps you should seek medical help

 

[NickC]

Re: imposters on this thread

The mooring chain saga preceded the engine saga IIRC.

The engine saga seems to have started with a disagreement as to whether to use a small ( 4 hp ??) which Nick had "fettled up" and wanted to use or buy a larger engine which Nick did not want to invest in. I do not remember if the small engine came with the boat or if it was one Nick already owned. The latter I think.
...
It's now been replaced with a smaller new Mariner (???) .

Vic,

The boat originally came with a 6hp Johnson. Unfortunately, much against my advice, this was then left dangling in the water for eighteen months, hence needed a lot of work when she came out.

She was cleaned-up, sorted-out and a fair bit of money was spent on her to make sure she was reliable.

There was now a change in ownership - {partner2} and {partner3} decided they couldn't get on with {partner4}, the phrase 'didn't feel like it was my boat' was mentioned. So {partner3} sold his share to {partner5} and a day later, after much screaming and shouting, {partner2} sold to {partner6}.

Despite {partner4} having tested out the rebuilt outboard for half an hour and concluding that she worked fine, {partner6} refused to even test the engine.

{partner6}, in conjunction with {partner4}, then decided to fit the oversized engine. {partner5} wouldn't have anything to do with it and refused to pay anything towards it.

The actual engine which was bought was physically too large. ( 15hp 4 stroke Yammie IIRC). I can only assume that someone made a complete cock up following bad advice or the pursuit of a "good deal".

The big engine cost them £1000. It was bought from another Committee member, someone who does a lot of work on Police outboards and really should have known better.

Are you keeping-up, remember who {partner6} was (apart from someone who doesn't sail)? See how this somehow links back to Her Majesty's Constabulary again.

Why it was actually fitted when obviously unsuitable defies all rational explanation! It must have been a very expensive mistake and far to expensive to have been done just to spite Nick.

It didn't just stop me being able to sail my boat, it stopped all the partners from being able to sail their boat as well. She didn't sail all year except for the one day I took her out for a test sail with a friend from another Club, who will attest to here complete inability to tack due to the installation of that ridiculous engine.

Remember narcissism isn't rational!

 

[NickC]

Re: Practical considerations on how to resolve

Nick

if you spent as much time getting the support of the Ordinary Members of that sailing club (as has been repeatedly suggested and ignored) as you seem to spend on here attacking anyone who doesn't imeaditately offer you tea and sympathy then perhaps you'd get your answers.

Your responses on here seem to akin to the kid who was pushed over in the playground, crying and refusing to get up or tell the teachers until those that pushed him over are punished.

The only people who can help you here are the Ordinary Members
If you can rally enough members to bring an EGM then go ahead - I wish you luck (honestly) - if the committee refuse an EGM when the members ask for one then it's down to the members to chuck out the committee at the AGM - rules or not - it's the members club ...

or, if you've got evidence of criminal behaviour, then the Police...

Whichever way, just posting on here how unfair it all is will not get you anywhere - if you can't see that then perhaps you should seek medical help

If you were an existing member would you sign your own Death Warrant?

Calling an EGM had already been discussed but the consensus of opinion, considering how the Committee ignore the Club's rules, was that they would most likely tear it up and throw it in the bin anyway. Those that had signed it would then become the next targets for expulsion.

Having seen how you could be thrown out without deference to the rules and without a vote by the members, would you sign it?

Those that have been following this since the beginning will remember how another member was their target for expulsion the previous year and how he had to keep away from the club for virtually the whole year to avoid being expelled.

If we can generate enough interest on the forum then perhaps we can get enough (external) people to join the Club to force the Committee to allow a vote on the issue.

 

[NickC]

Re: Practical considerations on how to resolve

At the significant risk of general opprobrium, is it possible for a concise summary of what has happened?

PM on way with link to website.

 

[NickC]

Re: imposters on this thread

I cannot resist, this is like watching car crash videos.

Given NickCs behaviours both initial and ongoing here, do you suppose he has actually provoked the vast majority of what he is complaining about?
Do you suppose that any organisation would want NickC as a member?
Do you imagine that NickC is the only voice of reason in this saga?

Could it just be his partners were so hacked off with him, they contrived a situation to get rid of him?

From reading his multitudinous posts I suspect I would!

Pete, perhaps I could ask you the same questions as Ian.

Do you consider it acceptable to expel a member without any supporting evidence and then refuse to allow Ordinary Members a vote on the matter, blatantly ignoring the Club rules?

Do you think that those who fitted that oversized outboard engine and then issued threats should be thrown out of the Club?

How about those responsible for the theft of money from the mooring chain, should they be thrown out of the Club?

 

[steveeasy]

Hi Nick,
Hey its all too easy for some outsiders to say everything you have done is wrong, and your wasting your time. Oh you brought it on your self. But what if it was them. of course they would argue it would never have happened to them, because they are rational people. Utter rubbish of course,

The only valid points some people do have, with the best intentions, is what can you realistically do.

Steveeasy

 

[fireball]

Re: Practical considerations on how to resolve

If we can generate enough interest on the forum then perhaps we can get enough (external) people to join the Club to force the Committee to allow a vote on the issue.

Ah - right - now we're down to what you want to happen - sorry if I've missed it - but that's the first time I've seen a "call to arms"

If you were an existing member would you sign your own Death Warrant?

Calling an EGM had already been discussed but the consensus of opinion, considering how the Committee ignore the Club's rules, was that they would most likely tear it up and throw it in the bin anyway. Those that had signed it would then become the next targets for expulsion.

Depends - I have "stood up to be counted" when it mattered - although never felt my membership was under threat through doing so...
However, if it was as bad as at that then I would be looking for membership elsewhere !

Those that have been following this since the beginning will remember how another member was their target for expulsion the previous year and how he had to keep away from the club for virtually the whole year to avoid being expelled.

So I guess you've got a few militant members and the rest are appathetic at best ...

If that is the case, then sorry Nick - the advice you were given yonks ago is probably the best you can do - and that is "Move on" - no reason why you can't keep an eye on it and if/when the committee changes then re-join.

Expecting any number of people on here to join the club just to overturn the committee just because you say so is fantisy I'm afraid ... everything you said may be true - but we've only got your word for it ...

 

[wizard]

Re: Practical considerations on how to resolve

If you were an existing member would you sign your own Death Warrant?

Calling an EGM had already been discussed but the consensus of opinion, considering how the Committee ignore the Club's rules, was that they would most likely tear it up and throw it in the bin anyway. Those that had signed it would then become the next targets for expulsion.

Having seen how you could be thrown out without deference to the rules and without a vote by the members, would you sign it?

Those that have been following this since the beginning will remember how another member was their target for expulsion the previous year and how he had to keep away from the club for virtually the whole year to avoid being expelled.

If we can generate enough interest on the forum then perhaps we can get enough (external) people to join the Club to force the Committee to allow a vote on the issue.

I certainly would not want to join a club like that and I very much doubt that anyone else on here would either. I would have walked away a long time ago. Its just not worth the agro.

 

[NormanS]

Re: Practical considerations on how to resolve

Just for interest, does the club have significant assets, in property or land? Maybe the "Bad Guys" want to wind up the club, and walk off with the money.

 

[Resolution]

Re: Practical considerations on how to resolve

Nick
Can you confirm to us that you have actually spoken to other members to ask if they are for/against your reinstatement?
If so, how many?
What were the responses to you?
I think someone earlier said that there were probably 80 to 90 members now, and 8 or 13 on the committee.

PM if confidential.
Peter

 

[sailorman]

Re: Practical considerations on how to resolve

Just for interest, does the club have significant assets, in property or land? Maybe the "Bad Guys" want to wind up the club, and walk off with the money.

I doubt that their constitution allow for a share-out

 

[Resolution]

Amongst the broad church of this forum, there must be many of us who are or have been members of sailing clubs.
Has anyone else (apart from Nick) been kicked out against their wishes?
Has anyone had committee members bending their own rules in a major or even dishonest manner?

I have been a member of several clubs over the past forty years, and have served my time on committees at most of them. Very occasionally an individual member has had such a strong disagreement with another member that one or both have been asked to resign. The only committee member that I can recall getting into trouble was a contemporary who seduced one of the staff (she was very desirable!). The club commode took a dim view of such behaviour and he was "sent to the country" for a while to cool off.

I am sure many of us can be held responsible for poor management at clubs, but how many are dishonestly manipulative?

 

[duncan99210]

Re: Practical considerations on how to resolve

I don't know what St NickC is seeking to achieve by continuing this thread. We all know his side of the sorry saga, never heard a peep out of the alleged opposition. And I say alleged because the only one raising these matters on this forum is St NickC, so all we have are allegations of misbehaviour by some other members of a sailing club. Nowhere have we seen the other side of the story, if indeed there is one. We've seen a few photos, had emails copied for us and there's meant to be some website somewhere with yet more electronic 'evidence'. None of it would last five minutes as evidence in a court of law as its all too easy to fabricate.
So, why is St NickC still banging on? I can't fathom it. He's been given advice by many of just walk away. Other suggest calling an EGM but that's too difficult for St NickC to arrange, which suggests that actually he has no support base in his club. Why? Not, I suspect, because of bully boy tactics (including threats of anti terrorist police!) but because either the remainder of the club were only too delighted to see the back of him and his constant whinging or because the whole thing is mainly a figment of his overheated imagination.
I will now shut up and see what happens. I, like one or two before, will out of morbid curiosity continue to watch this thread but I think this is my last post on it.