Attempt by our Committee to change the Club rules without notifying the members

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NickC said:
Ok, sorry about that it's just an unfortunate coincidence that the Clerk of the St Lawrence Fairway Committee lives within 100yrds of the Treasurer of said sailing club then.
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Do I ?- well who is he then, because I do not know him - at least if i do i am not aware he is the treasurer

Like I said, i have no connection with the club whatsoever other than the fact i sometimes sail a phantom & some phantom sailors ( whose names I cannot recall) are members of the club & i have promised myself a visit there someday

By the way, now you know who i am-- we do have moorings available in a great sailing area if you need one - & it sounds as if you do !!!!!-- as well as a sailing club nearby

That goes for anyone else who wants to checkout ---stlawrencefairwaycommittee.com--

& yes --I declare an interest before someone picks me up on that one
 
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An update to my last post I have looked on the website to see who the treasurer is & I quite honestly say I do not know him
However, I see that a person i do know is a committee member (It had not occurred to me that he was a member) & he is a most charming person & certainly not vindictive
 
Its a sad story this. There was a very similar issue at a local club when a long running niggle between a member and the committee escalated and got out of hand. The member concerned was expelled, went to a lawyer, cost the club and himself some money but the expulsion was maintained. But the issue for the member was that the spat had been the cause of some chatter in other local clubs helped along because the member concerned wouldnt shut up on the subject. The end result was that when the expulsion was all confirmed, none of the other local clubs would have the now ex member. Pity because this argument apart he was a nice enough individual but all the gossip had labelled him a high risk recruit.

Absolutely true story NickC. On which basis my advice to you would be to shut up but I cant imagine you will take any notice.
 
Daydream believer said:
An update to my last post I have looked on the website to see who the treasurer is & I quite honestly say I do not know him
However, I see that a person i do know is a committee member (It had not occurred to me that he was a member) & he is a most charming person & certainly not vindictive
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You have to admit DB that was one heck of a coincidence wasn't it? Especially when combined with opinion of another St Lawrence resident that thought they had seen you both drinking in The Stone together, which was obviously mistaken identity, you can see how it looked.

And to then discover you do actually know one of the Committee members after all, what are the chances!
 
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VicS said:
Its not there any more but it is in another post.

Anyway how can a club be identified from the date it was formed, 1965, or any other.

I used to belong to a club that dates from 1901 and another which was formed in 1975 ....... any body going to identify either of them ...One now has yacht club status
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Just done it Vic. Google is your friend.

Cant give a rational reason why I wanted to know which club it was but I did.
 
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NickC said:
You have to admit DB that was one heck of a coincidence wasn't it? Especially when combined with opinion of another St Lawrence resident that thought they had seen you both drinking in The Stone together, which was obviously mistaken identity, you can see how it looked.

And to then discover you do actually know one of the Committee members after all, what are the chances!
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Yes -- another mistake - this time mistaken identity-
i do not drink in The Stone having only ever been in there twice in my life

& as for " chances" well quite high really, since i live not far from the club & sail the same class of boat as sailed in that club

You are wasting your time trying to demonstrate some connection- I assure you there is none that i am aware of

You really are short on proven fact-which leaves one to wonder how many other errors or misinterpretations are in your post
 
pandos said:
... the OP surrendered and gave in to what sounds like bullying, but now is, i believe correctly, unwilling to let go on another issue ( his right to speech). the other-side emboldened by the earlier success ...
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Hammer-nail-head, spot-on description of situation pandos.

The expanded version taking into account historic issues.
  • First of all it was their decision to stop members being allowed to see minutes of Committee meetings.
  • Despite objecting to this, for the sake of keeping the peace at the Club, I dropped the matter and allowed them to get away with it.
  • Boyed by their success in hiding the minutes from the members, then came the conspiracy to defraud issue over the mooring chain.
  • Despite having been tipped-off about the missing mooring chain we had to wait until the trot was out of the river some eighteen months later before it could be proven.
  • So emboldened by getting away with both the minutes issue and seemingly having got away with the mooring issue, they move on to the oversized outboard. Ridiculous because it also stops both themselves and the other owner from being able to sail their own yacht.
  • Again for the sake of the Club, and so as not to cause disruption, I agree to sell my part of the shared yacht along with the mooring and all historic disputes, to the third owner.
  • Now bolstered by having got away with the minutes issue, the mooring issue and the oversized outboard they have nothing left they can attempt to bully me with. It seems they were so incensed by this they then raised the proposal to have me expelled from the Club.
You can view these previous issues developing as they occurred at the time in some of my previous posts both here and elsewhere. I haven’t been able to somehow make these up after the event to support my explanation here.
 
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NickC, having read your synopsis above there is only one question remaining. What the hell are you doing in a Club like this? Apart from the time and effort trying to push sh*t uphill you must have some pride. Walk away and get on with life.
 
NealB said:
I suspect it maybe pride that makes him want to fight for what he sees as justice.
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Some years ago I spent a great deal of time, effort and money helping build a up a small charity. I reached a sufficiently high level that I was able to discover some pretty unpleasant details of things going on and, after some consideration and on legal advice, blew the whistle to the oversight group. Within a month or so I had been sacked, without any debate, from the oversight group, barred from any further work, had my name erased from the organisation's history, received a wholly bogus demand for many thousands of pounds (they ended up admitting that they owed me money) and a good deal of mud, some of which stuck, was thrown at and by people I had considered friends. I now have no contact whatsoever with the organisation, which has warned subsequent staff that it considers simply talking to me to be a sacking offence.

I have great sympathy with the OP. When you have been closely involved with any organisation, "walking away" is not necessarily easy or pleasant. Fighting back may have the same end result, but may retain a little more honour.
 
NickC said:
Hammer-nail-head, spot-on description of situation pandos.

The expanded version taking into account historic issues.
  • First of all it was their decision to stop members being allowed to see minutes of Committee meetings.
  • Despite objecting to this, for the sake of keeping the peace at the Club, I dropped the matter and allowed them to get away with it.
  • Boyed by their success in hiding the minutes from the members, then came the conspiracy to defraud issue over the mooring chain.
  • Despite having been tipped-off about the missing mooring chain we had to wait until the trot was out of the river some eighteen months later before it could be proven.
  • So emboldened by getting away with both the minutes issue and seemingly having got away with the mooring issue, they move on to the oversized outboard. Ridiculous because it also stops both themselves and the other owner from being able to sail their own yacht.
  • Again for the sake of the Club, and so as not to cause disruption, I agree to sell my part of the shared yacht along with the mooring and all historic disputes, to the third owner.
  • Now bolstered by having got away with the minutes issue, the mooring issue and the oversized outboard they have nothing left they can attempt to bully me with. It seems they were so incensed by this they then raised the proposal to have me expelled from the Club.
You can view these previous issues developing as they occurred at the time in some of my previous posts both here and elsewhere. I haven’t been able to somehow make these up after the event to support my explanation here.
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I find all this a rather sad going on for you (and in future others may be) but all this can be very typical of committees.

I don't how many people are on this committee of your club, what the club charter/rules are for minutes of meetings etc.I also don't know what your options are in the local area to join another club. I do agree like others have said and move on, it's not worth all the anguish fighting the bullie(s) that probably is a full weight tosser(s) anyway.

I was a member of an Aero club for 25 years and was part of a committee of twelve with the club having about 600 club members which was also a limited company so we had to abide by corporate law as well as the club charter/rules which is supposed to govern it.

We did produce minutes to the notice board for each and every meeting, which was written up as an edited version of the meeting by one person. So a committee can look to be politically correct, it all comes down to smoke and mirrors.

I did not enjoy all the shenanigans that occurred by some committee members and I ended up resigning because it just wasn't worth the hassle. I had better things to do with my life other than do battle with select few that had so much time on their hands.
I knew/know plenty of descent, sensible, honest folk who go onto committees and go through a massive character change to something that didn't resemble who had been voted on by the members in the first instance.
The worst ones for me were the retirees that had so much time to meddle, scheme and pontificate, so basically the club was been run by a few rather underhand people other than the full twelve of which we were all directors . . .committee rant over.

I do realise yours is a smaller club but it's committee run and that probably say's it all. I really don't think you on your own will get any justice or satisfaction, they can just say you are bringing the club in to disrepute. The only way to win is to have a EGM and enter a motion of no confidence, but depending on the club rules you'll probably need around 70% of the members backing you to achieve this.

Just put it all down to the tapestry of life and if your lucky you may get retribution with the culprit(s) in the future, ever dog has its day. Move on, life is precious.
 
grumpygit said:
I find all this a rather sad going on for you (and in future others may be) but all this can be very typical of committees.

I don't how many people are on this committee of your club, what the club charter/rules are for minutes of meetings etc.I also don't know what your options are in the local area to join another club. I do agree like others have said and move on, it's not worth all the anguish fighting the bullie(s) that probably is a full weight tosser(s) anyway.

I was a member of an Aero club for 25 years and was part of a committee of twelve with the club having about 600 club members which was also a limited company so we had to abide by corporate law as well as the club charter/rules which is supposed to govern it.

We did produce minutes to the notice board for each and every meeting, which was written up as an edited version of the meeting by one person. So a committee can look to be politically correct, it all comes down to smoke and mirrors.

I did not enjoy all the shenanigans that occurred by some committee members and I ended up resigning because it just wasn't worth the hassle. I had better things to do with my life other than do battle with select few that had so much time on their hands.
I knew/know plenty of descent, sensible, honest folk who go onto committees and go through a massive character change to something that didn't resemble who had been voted on by the members in the first instance.
The worst ones for me were the retirees that had so much time to meddle, scheme and pontificate, so basically the club was been run by a few rather underhand people other than the full twelve of which we were all directors . . .committee rant over.

I do realise yours is a smaller club but it's committee run and that probably say's it all. I really don't think you on your own will get any justice or satisfaction, they can just say you are bringing the club in to disrepute. The only way to win is to have a EGM and enter a motion of no confidence, but depending on the club rules you'll probably need around 70% of the members backing you to achieve this.

Just put it all down to the tapestry of life and if your lucky you may get retribution with the culprit(s) in the future, ever dog has its day. Move on, life is precious.
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But all organisations rely on a committee of sorts & many would not run without. Do you not think that you are being unfair to those that take the time to put something into the club rather than ride on the back of others
that being said - one of the best clubs I am member of ( not sailing) is run by one man-- But woe betide any one who crosses him
A lot to be said for dictatorships
 
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