Attempt by our Committee to change the Club rules without notifying the members

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The Mooring Saga.
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A year later the whole trot was lifted out for maintenance
  • Just over a year later the entire whole trot was lifted out for maintenance and left ashore for six months.
  • This was done without any discussion with Nick and without notification.
  • This is the first time in the history of the trot that it has been found necessary to do this. Why was the Pandemonium mooring taken out and not left on the seabed as per the original plan?
  • Examination of the trot revealed that the chain originally ordered and paid for was not present, see pictures.
  • There should be 90-120ft of previously brand new 22mm chain (only been in the water for just over a year) attached to the downstream end.
  • Even if second-hand chain had been used 'by mistake' there should still be 90ft of 25mm chain.
  • Most of this chain is less than 15mm, nowhere near the 22mm as we ordered.
  • In addition we would expect the new chain to still have remnants of paint on it after only just over one year.
  • Nick obtained consultancy advice from a Marine Surveyor and Legal advice from Solicitor. He expressed his concerns to {landowner} about not wishing to remain personally liable for a mooring which, due to this apparent 'conspiracy to defraud', is of inadequate specification.
  • This and the ensuing correspondence between Pandy owners is a matter which could consume another webpage in itself, it is suggested to wait until the Committee has at least decided on some specific reasons to expel Nick before going into further detail.
 
If you don't like an arrogant, bruske dore, look away now.

So on 24th August 2014 the mooring was back and we were in the midst of the engine saga?

The Johnson was dangling in the water for 18 months without one of the four owners making the effort to rescue it. I've seen the pic and commented the boat looks like a pile of cr*p and that may be why. If the Commodore is one of the owners that in itself says a lot about the club. I wonder how much a 1/4 share of this heap is worth?

If Nick then spent a lot of time and effort to get it going again, we can understand his displeasure if he perceives someone else is further abusing it. He then says his other motor (2.5hp) is available to the other owners but (and this is hearsay) they told others it was a club engine. Did they? Or is that what someone said when Nick caught them using it? Nick doesn't say they told HIM it was a club engine.
Do you think Nick is vindictive enough to chain the engine up in revenge?
So one of the other owners turns up one day only to find he can't use the boat. His revenge may be to fit a stupidly large engine and prevent Nick using it.

Intertwined with the above is a clear split developing over the mooring as outlined.

The letter mentioning theft is a pile of poo. For theft you have to prove beyond all reasonable doubt, the intention to deceive ownership. So that letter is worthless (and doesn't mention being thrown out of the club does it? Or did I miss that?). Nick could easily just put the engine safely somewhere after a phone call or email telling the owner he was doing so. The author of the letter is a plonker.

I am now convinced that this whole thing started with a petty argument over the use of (reasonable) engines, and escalated into all out war. It has done so because of the total stupidity of all invovled.
Frankly, they all deserve each other. Maybe the club has broken the rules but who gives a sh*t now?
 
I apologise to VicS for not supporting his poll.

While I fully understand his motives I just don't think it an appropriate thing to do.
Well done for taking it down.

It does though emphasise how good NickC is at getting under people's skin.
 
Floyd Raser said:
I apologise to VicS for not supporting his poll.

While I fully understand his motives I just don't think it an appropriate thing to do.
Well done for taking it down.

It does though emphasise how good NickC is at getting under people's skin.
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I take a trip to the Jag dealers and then the hospital (nothing to do with the bill which was very reasonable) and I seem to miss everything! Doh!

Richard
 
Like someone said earlier (more than one person, I think) this thread is addictive - rather like one of those "car crash" TV programmes!

Anyway (and, please bear in mind it is Friday evening - and I've already been to the pub!):

1: The OP calls this a debate, but, as far as I can see - the only thing being debated is whether people believe/like him.
2: there seems to have been some acrimonious falling out within the partnership owning a boat. Several outboard motors seem to have been involved, and accusations of damage to the boat have been mentioned. I have no idea what that was all about as it doesn't make any sense to me. Perhaps it could have been resolved long ago if they talked to each other!
3: There also seems to have been an equally acrimonious falling out with the club over a mooring - that they don't own. Involving the alleged theft of a length of chain - which is probably not missing anyway, but might be a different size than expected, but no-one seems to have noticed until now.
4: The club seems to have stopped sending copies of committee minutes to members. I have no idea if this is actually true - there is no evidence presented that the members have noticed, or raised the matter.
5: The OP seems to have been thrown out of the club, after many years of membership. He claims not to know why. There was an informal meeting arranged to discuss the issue, but it would appear he declined to attend - then protested about the non-presentation of documents to the meeting that probably didn't happen because there was no point with him not present.
6: I have no idea who the various posters on this thread are. Several of them don't seem to have posted on any other subject before. There are many oblique references that suggest a deeper involvement (both ways) than they are willing to own up to.

Do I care? no not really. Am I sympathetic to the OP? I sort of was, but his abrasive, confrontational style is getting up my nose (as the saying goes). I'm glad I'm not a member of the club in question (or any other, for that matter).

But, I shall continue to watch - out of morbid curiosity.
 
mikefleetwood said:
Like someone said earlier (more than one person, I think) this thread is addictive - rather like one of those "car crash" TV programmes!

Anyway (and, please bear in mind it is Friday evening - and I've already been to the pub!):

1: The OP calls this a debate, but, as far as I can see - the only thing being debated is whether people believe/like him.
2: there seems to have been some acrimonious falling out within the partnership owning a boat. Several outboard motors seem to have been involved, and accusations of damage to the boat have been mentioned. I have no idea what that was all about as it doesn't make any sense to me. Perhaps it could have been resolved long ago if they talked to each other!
3: There also seems to have been an equally acrimonious falling out with the club over a mooring - that they don't own. Involving the alleged theft of a length of chain - which is probably not missing anyway, but might be a different size than expected, but no-one seems to have noticed until now.
4: The club seems to have stopped sending copies of committee minutes to members. I have no idea if this is actually true - there is no evidence presented that the members have noticed, or raised the matter.
5: The OP seems to have been thrown out of the club, after many years of membership. He claims not to know why. There was an informal meeting arranged to discuss the issue, but it would appear he declined to attend - then protested about the non-presentation of documents to the meeting that probably didn't happen because there was no point with him not present.
6: I have no idea who the various posters on this thread are. Several of them don't seem to have posted on any other subject before. There are many oblique references that suggest a deeper involvement (both ways) than they are willing to own up to.

Do I care? no not really. Am I sympathetic to the OP? I sort of was, but his abrasive, confrontational style is getting up my nose (as the saying goes). I'm glad I'm not a member of the club in question (or any other, for that matter).

But, I shall continue to watch - out of morbid curiosity.
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+1 as they say, great summary.
 
imposters on this thread

I been counting posts

'elsie' first post 28/9/2015 - 11 posts here none nowhere else

'Floyd rader' first post here 26/9/2015 - 36 posts
thats 47 posts from these wiv nuffin to do wiv OPs sailing club

Nuff rope to hang em
 
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Well Nick C aka Captinpugwash88 are you trying to cover your tracks maybe for the straw situation regarding things you have raised. Mikefleetwood sums this up very well I am afraid. Didn't your elders ever tell you when you are in a hole stop digging
 
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captainpugwash88 said:
I been counting posts

'elsie' first post 28/9/2015 - 11 posts here none nowhere else

'Floyd rader' first post here 26/9/2015 - 36 posts
thats 47 posts from these wiv nuffin to do wiv OPs sailing club

Nuff rope to hang em
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I put a challenge on here which would have raised money for Heartlink at Glenfield Hospital had it been taken up.

Whatever you put Puggy, doesn't alter the fact that this whole thread is about one person's attention seeking. I note the timing of your post: just as this thread is dropping off the first page of the forum. Every time it has done so, you or Nick have posted to bring it back.????
 
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Floyd Raser said:
I put a challenge on here which would have raised money for Heartlink at Glenfield Hospital had it been taken up.

Whatever you put Puggy, doesn't alter the fact that this whole thread is about one person's attention seeking. I note the timing of your post: just as this thread is dropping off the first page of the forum. Every time it has done so, you or Nick have posted to bring it back.????
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Well said Floyd and Nick c aka Captainpugwash88 you are not in any position to give any lectures - especially when you have just got in from the pub
 
While I'm at the keyboard and we're top of the lead page, here's another summary:

The reaction to the OP has been like this -

The overwhelming majority of the constructive replies have been from well-meaning people telling him to move on and put it behind him.
The next most popular replies have been equally well-meaning people advising procedures with which to proceed.
The OP has rejected all advice.
 
Someone's rattled my cage again so here's some fantasy:

I find it hard to believe a Commodore's only boaty interest would be a 1/4 of a floating, algae covered pile of cr*p. So do our 4 owners have other boats? Where would they moor them?

30 moorings would generate quite an income for the landowner. Nick agreed to do some maintenance of a mooring but would anyone do that for nothing? Would a discount for another mooring be adequate payment? Is the bloke who wants the mooring closest to the jetty, one of the other co-owners of the Pandora by any chance? Just wondering. Methinks this could all be about money.

PS. I haven't a chuffing clue what a "trot" is in this sense. Here in Leicestershire, a trot is what a horse does just before some Toff in a red jacket shouts, "Tally Ho!!"
 
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I had been feeling a little disappointed that my daily dose of this continueing soap opera had finally come to the end. But like a knight on a white charger Captain Pugwash nobly rode in to stir it all up again. The other participants also courageously took up the challenge and battle has recommenced.
I suspect this thread will not be allowed to die a heroic death but will continue, exactly like a soap opera, nothing new has been added but it still makes compelling reading.
 
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elsie said:
Well Nick C aka Captinpugwash88 are you trying to cover your tracks maybe for the straw situation regarding things you have raised. Mikefleetwood sums this up very well I am afraid. Didn't your elders ever tell you when you are in a hole stop digging
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Dear Elsie - why not drop this daft "NickC aka CaptainPugwash88" nonsense? Look at post #469. It's what most people bothering to read this thread have been thinking and/or saying for weeks and NickC has said exactly the same thing himself on previous occasions so why would he bother to say it under his supposed CaptainPugwash alias this time around?

Richard
 
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Well it has been said that this thread is compelling reading but I'm afraid for me, it's starting to lose it's appeal. Unless Nick/Puggy can come with more fuel for the fire of his own situation, I may lose interest altogether.

I feel we have had something like an ending since Nick's last burst of self-deluded cr*p. Now we know it all started over a petty argument, (I said a spilt pint 20 years ago, I don't think I was too far off the mark!) there doesn't seem to anywhere to go with it?

I was hoping for blood; I wanted a court case. I was going to offer Nick a free copy of my book so he could have a laugh in between "visits" from the lifers. It's just as funny (or not) whether you are reading standing or sitting. He may have got to share a cell with Rolf Harris.
"Hey Nick, look at this. Can you tell what it is yet? Heh Heh Heh."

But alas there will not be such excitement. The best legal advice anyone could get for this is,
"Good heavens, is that the time? I have some boring house conveyancing to do. I haven't spent years learning to be a solicitor just to sort out petty arguments between grown, intelligent men who chose to switch off 99.9% of their brain cells when they go to a club!"

It'll be dull now.
 
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