Attempt by our Committee to change the Club rules without notifying the members

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Floyd Raser said:
I don't think I'm a plant by the committee but you can never be sure these days...
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Floyd,

Nothing personal but you didn’t join this forum until March 2015, long after the first of the relevant threads originally started. Is-15HP-ok-on-a-22ft-Pandora

You have been quite vociferous, seemingly without having any clear understanding of the root issues at hand. All of your posts on this thread have been rather negative, some have suggested irrationally so.

Remember that in the past we have had others such as Daydream Believer who claimed to be impartial but it later transpired he frequents a model boat club with the very committee member who instigated the expulsion in the first place. And then another forumite established that DB lives just 500yrds away from the treasurer of said club, although I accept he may not have known this and it could be just an unfortunate coincidence.

Then we had that derogatory pm from one of the consortium of committee members under the alias of “nicks partner”, remember that.

And now we have this ‘elsie’ who is so obviously a plant from said committee. Those that have read all the documentation will no doubt have noticed how she even uses the same strawman arguments and phraseology as other communications from said Committee members. Makes you wonder why they won’t just post here under their own names doesn’t it?
 
Seajet said:
However I would join those who are saying ' move on now ' - thing is do you realise you have achieved your objective
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Seajet,

The main problem is that while we have people like Floyd Raser posting strawman arguments and ‘elsie’ trying to muddy the waters with her blatant lies their postings need to be refuted. If they are not they will then claim it as some sort of moral victory, their thinking goes along the lines of; see we must be right because Nick can’t answer us!

You will remember the outboard thread whereby because I maybe didn’t reply to one particular email, perhaps I was out sailing or just couldn’t be bothered to reply to yet another idiotic rant, it was taken by one member of the consortium as me agreeing to the installation of that daft engine.

You have to be careful when arguing with idiots.

Perhaps I will try ignoring the more daft posts for a while, see if they go away.
 
So let’s see if we can stop the childish mud-slinging, the daft plants from the committee, the infantile attempts to re-write history and all other endeavours to derail this thread through silliness.

Let us focus solely on the issues at hand.

The Club Constitution and RYA guidelines are perfectly clear:

before any hearing the Respondent must:

  • be told well in advance the precise nature and details of the complaint against him;
  • be given well in advance any written statements made by witnesses;
  • be given all the relevant documents at least 3 weeks before the hearing
The Committee must also:

  • Allow the accused member fair representation to the members
  • Allow the Ordinary Members a vote on the issue.

When all the above has been adhered to then the matter will be closed.
 
Floyd Raser said:
They would have the relevent emails printed out as evidence, but of course if you don't turn up you won't see them and deny they exist.
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And one final point for today's forum replies:

Floyd,

I have just spoken to a Committee members who was present at the 'hearing'. No email evidence was produced, in fact no documentary evidence whatsoever was produced.
 
NickC said:
And now we have this ‘elsie’ who is so obviously a plant from said committee. Those that have read all the documentation will no doubt have noticed how she even uses the same strawman arguments and phraseology as other communications from said Committee members. Makes you wonder why they won’t just post here under their own names doesn’t it?
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And CaptainPugwash88. Perhaps that's Elsie's husband? Perhaps Elsie is the lady in Vic's photo and the good Captain took it?

As you say Nick, why doesn't someone from "The Committee" actually come on here, announce themselves, and put their side of the story. Until they do, I'm cheering for the underdog! :encouragement:

Richard
 
NickC said:
Floyd,

Nothing personal but you didn’t join this forum until March 2015, long after the first of the relevant threads originally started. Is-15HP-ok-on-a-22ft-Pandora

You have been quite vociferous, seemingly without having any clear understanding of the root issues at hand. All of your posts on this thread have been rather negative, some have suggested irrationally so.

Remember that in the past we have had others such as Daydream Believer who claimed to be impartial but it later transpired he frequents a model boat club with the very committee member who instigated the expulsion in the first place. And then another forumite established that DB lives just 500yrds away from the treasurer of said club, although I accept he may not have known this and it could be just an unfortunate coincidence.

Then we had that derogatory pm from one of the consortium of committee members under the alias of “nicks partner”, remember that.

And now we have this ‘elsie’ who is so obviously a plant from said committee. Those that have read all the documentation will no doubt have noticed how she even uses the same strawman arguments and phraseology as other communications from said Committee members. Makes you wonder why they won’t just post here under their own names doesn’t it?
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And you have consistently massaged the information to suit your own pathetic absession with this matter. And now you dismiss anyone who gets near the truth as a plant by the committee. With no evidence at all. Let's face it Nick, the truth is that you don't want it to end.
 
NickC said:
So let’s see if we can stop the childish mud-slinging, the daft plants from the committee, the infantile attempts to re-write history and all other endeavours to derail this thread through silliness.

Let us focus solely on the issues at hand.

The Club Constitution and RYA guidelines are perfectly clear:

before any hearing the Respondent must:

  • be told well in advance the precise nature and details of the complaint against him;
  • be given well in advance any written statements made by witnesses;
  • be given all the relevant documents at least 3 weeks before the hearing
The Committee must also:

  • Allow the accused member fair representation to the members
  • Allow the Ordinary Members a vote on the issue.

When all the above has been adhered to then the matter will be closed.
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They have, but you stopped the procedure. In a future legal action questions would be asked if either party has made an effort to settle the matter informally. The evidence is clear in your own posts that the committee has. It is only since I pointed this out that you have removed them. I don't need to be any part of the club, I'm just interpreting what I saw on the website before you pulled it. Your techniques are getting more and more obvious. Yes, keep going, it's becoming amusing again. Slightly.
 
Nick I think that I, and therefore perhaps others, might be more on board with this if I/they understood the purpose of the thread.

Advice you are getting falls into one of two camps... give it up or carry on. Pretty obvious which side you've come down on there. Apart from that you seemingly aren't getting anything.... and perhaps excluding our brief PM conversation don't really seem to be engaging with what's said other than to contradict what you strongly don't agree with - so if it isn't for advice, the obvious reason would be an advertising platform to argue your case to the public or to other members of the sailing club that shalt not be named but that due to a lengthy series of accidental disclosures we all know the identity of?

But if the latter, then you would seem to be playing into the hands of the committee... so I'm guessing that's not it.

Perhaps it's just a good old cathartic moan?

Floyd - I don't think you're a plant but should you wish it there is an easy plant test - what do you think about the sanity of people who purchase a 15hp outboard specifically for the purpose of fitting it to a Pandora? :) For my part I reckon they're almost as barmy as people who spend their time doing up old Horizon 26's instead of sailing.
 
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I've read through some of this drivel but lost the will to live part way through. I've rarely seen such a self centred personality as the OP. It's all about how hard done to he is with no counterbalance: hardly surprising as he seems to be the only one making any noise about this at all. The sound of silence from the club suggests to me that they're the grown ups and he is the petulant child. I wish he'd now learn his lesson: his erstwhile club doesn't want him anymore. Move on.
 
Nick,

as you know I was in the ' made your point, move on ' camp lately.

However seeing a few recent posts inc Duncan I can see why you go on, all power to your elbow ! :encouragement:
 
NickC aka Captainpugwash88 you simply do not get it. You are confirming why people are questioning you and your motives. I think Floyd may have been correct about the braid hat. Personally I think you may have also had an armband as well. I fear You do not seem to like people having different views and opinions to yours. FYI my interest was brought to this site searching for an engine resolution. I have formed my opinion on 2 things but your default seems always "You do not understand the full story" thank the lord i do not you simply are not listening (as is your right) to anything that does not fit your agenda. NickC aka Captainpugwash88 for me I rather doubted you about the engine saga - my original reason to be here. I very much doubt you have a hot line to the committee. There are some strange contradictions here and on some of the drivel on your sites. NickC aka Captainpugwash88.

NickC aka Captainpugwash88 I will repeat what I said earlier. Contact your old friends at the club explain you wish a fresh start and that you recognise some errors may have occurred, you have learnt lessons which you wish to put behind you. See if this crash can be put right at this late point.
 
elsie said:
NickC aka Captainpugwash88 you simply do not get it. You are confirming why people are questioning you and your motives. I think Floyd may have been correct about the braid hat. Personally I think you may have also had an armband as well. I fear You do not seem to like people having different views and opinions to yours. FYI my interest was brought to this site searching for an engine resolution. I have formed my opinion on 2 things but your default seems always "You do not understand the full story" thank the lord i do not you simply are not listening (as is your right) to anything that does not fit your agenda. NickC aka Captainpugwash88 for me I rather doubted you about the engine saga - my original reason to be here. I very much doubt you have a hot line to the committee. There are some strange contradictions here and on some of the drivel on your sites. NickC aka Captainpugwash88.

NickC aka Captainpugwash88 I will repeat what I said earlier. Contact your old friends at the club explain you wish a fresh start and that you recognise some errors may have occurred, you have learnt lessons which you wish to put behind you. See if this crash can be put right at this late point.
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What do you think about 15HP engines on Pandoras, Elsie?
 
yachtailsa said:
What do you think about 15HP engines on Pandoras, Elsie?
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probably not the smartest idea ever in boating and I wonder how it got to that. However looking beyond the engine somewhat and look at NickC aka Captainpugwash88 threads I was somewhat surprised to see the many (10 I think) requests for advice and assistance on here regarding defects to that engine. Those threads are what attracted me here and what a comedy it has been. Assuming it to be the same as the Johnson on an external bracket on a previous post that engine clearly had issues as per the posts of NickC aka Captainpugwash88 . I cannot see on any of NickC aka Captainpugwash88 websites details about correspondence between the owners re the clearly defective engine only things in his favour so that's where my doubts come from am afraid. Was there rally no correspondence between NickC aka Captainpugwash88 and the others. I think not. You see we only have his side of events.
 
It does strike me as very peculiar indeed that we have several posters on here, who have nothing at all to do with the club, yet they tell Nick that he is making a fool of himself, and should keep quiet.

They also tell the rest of us to stop posting on this thread.

Yet, there's not a squeak from any club members, putting their take on events.

From what I've seen on here, I say, good luck to you, Nick, if you have the energy to keep fighting!

(I should maybe declare that I live near this club, and am an ex-member, though I really don't have any inside information, one way or the other, about this sorry tale).
 
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