Attempt by our Committee to change the Club rules without notifying the members

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NickC said:
How then Pete would you suggest one should deal with a problem of wholly irrational individuals behaving in a completely unreasonable manor?

Making these issues public has always been very much a last resort. As you have seen we have a committee who refuse to abide by their own Club Rules, how would you have dealt with these situations?

Lets be honest my part of that shared yacht would probably not have actually got sold were it not for the peer-pressure applied by publishing those pictures on that outboard thread. With regard to this thread, we had hoped that peer-presure from the committee's of other Clubs in the locality might have been enough to embarrassed our Committee into actually adhering by the rules and allowing members a vote on the matter.
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Having followed all of your threads, I do think you have been very badly treated.

What I do find strange that no one else from the club has joined these discussions, either for you or aginst. Within a small club you generally should know most people, so this is even stranger.

I do feel for you and know why you have followed your course of action, however what will be the final ending? A mess for everyone concerned. Even if you win, you may still leave the club due to bad feeling, unless the others leave (which is unlikely). So your only real course of action is to cause as many problems as possible before you finally decide to quit and sail elsewhere.
 
I've seen this thread, and the engine one.

I still say that if you have no support and are being moved against, why bother staying?
I can't see the RYA having any success on your behalf.
I can only see two alternatives if you want to beat them.

1: Get support and call an EGM with the agenda of the Committee's unilateral decisions without the Rules.


2: Go legal and issue a writ against them for not following the published Rules of the club.



Neither route will make you Mr Popular.
 
birdseye said:
Is he still a club member? Has he had a brawl with the secretary? Has it all gone to court? Has the secretary been de-frocked? We demand to know whats happening! Its not fair to leave us in suspense.
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Well there is some good news and some bad news but at least there is some news...

First the positive news;
I have heard from another Club member and apparently there has been some discussion at the Club. Apart from those related to Committee members, none of the ordinary members support the Committee's decision to expel me from the Club.

Now the not so good bit;
I have been partly expelled - that is I have been expelled by the Committee but not by the members, they haven't been allowed a vote on this as provided for by the Club Constitution.

They did have that AGM, the existing Commodore is continuing in his post for another year. Despite the fact that he had been in that position for three years now and the Club Constitution explicitly precludes him from standing again, rule 6.3:
6.3 - At every Annual General Meeting, all the members of the Committee shall retire but are eligible for immediate re-election, except that no person shall be eligible for election as Commodore at more than three successive Annual General Meetings...
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Now more details of the reasons;
Remember it has nothing to do with this thread, the Committee meeting in which I was expelled was before this thread even started.
One of the members was told it was because I "wrote detrimental things about club members on forums and a magazine". Another explanation given was "by posting on public forums and mentioning the name of the club", which as you all know was not true.

So it seems they didn't like me publishing pictures of their installation of that oversized outboard. The fact that this made my boat unsailable seems to have escaped their attention!
 
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Quite. Why would you want to be a member of a club that allows it's committee to ignore the club rules but expels someone for abusing some imaginary club rules.
The rest of the club are sheep. (or headless chickens)
Go and find a nice club.
 
Daydream believer said:
He abused the CLUB publicly which is somewhat different
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IF, IF, IF (big IF!) Nick's description of events is true, then I don't think he has abused the club.

On the contrary, he may, in the long run, be doing it a favour.

It's good that people will stand up for principles, rather than quietly walking away, isn't it?

If, if, if!

(Did you notice the word 'if'?)
 
NealB said:
IF, IF, IF (big IF!) Nick's description of events is true, then I don't think he has abused the club.

On the contrary, he may, in the long run, be doing it a favour.

It's good that people will stand up for principles, rather than quietly walking away, isn't it?

If, if, if!

(Did you notice the word 'if'?)
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Had the OP been a personal member of the RYA, they would have assisted him.
 
sailorman said:
Had the OP been a personal member of the RYA, they would have assisted him.
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Wouldn't they be interested anyway, IF an affiliated club were ignoring rules and mistreating a member?

Though I've no idea what sanctions the RYA could impose. Would loss of 'affiliated' status be a major blow? Would it affect applications for funding, or ability to hold open meetings, maybe?
 
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It has just been pointed out to me by a member that the whole vote by the Committee was unconstitutional anyway.

6.2 - The management of the Club shall be in the hands of the Committee which shall consist of the Flag Officers, Officers and four other Members of the Club...
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At the time of the vote there were TEN committee members in addition to the Flag Officers & Officers.
 
Having wasted several minutes of my life reading this thread and your other one, i reckon you are best to be out of that club, and the club are best without you.

Time to move on. You seem to be an elderly gent so why not spend what hours remain enjoying yourself rather than stressing over this and getting all uptight.

IMHO of course.

Chillax!
 
They did have that AGM, the existing Commodore is continuing in his post for another year. Despite the fact that he had been in that position for three years now and the Club Constitution explicitly precludes him from standing again, rule 6.3:
Read more at http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthrea...ifying-the-members/page19#Bzzkyzm7v2ZT3G4h.99
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Is he continuing as Commodore because no one else is prepared to take up the "poisoned chalice"?:rolleyes:
 
sailaboutvic said:
Now I know why I have never been a member of any club , and got no plain to join any , I shall use any membership fee on any beer and a good meal .
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Those are the wisest words spoken in the whole of this thread.

It must be distressing for the OP on a personal level, but it's hard not to see it as a cautionary tale about what blokes do when they form clubs - they end up behaving like blokes.
 
sailaboutvic said:
Now I know why I have never been a member of any club , and got no plain to join any , I shall use any membership fee on any beer and a good meal .
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Absolutely. Wise words indeed but there can be exceptions: I have had to join an association (same politics as a club) to get my hands on an excellent technical handbook for my boat. Easily worth the joining fee + book + postage for the help and what it adds to the boat's future. No offence to the association but I won't be renewing my membership because I don't do clubs, and I have been a member of a few in the past.

I've often thought about starting a club for people who don't like clubs.
 
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