capnsensible
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The part of the Atlantic I'm talking about is from the Cape Verdes to the Windies. The weed that avoids the islands also makes its way across the Caribbean sea to arrive on the etches of places like Panama.
Atlantic Ocean ‘pretty much dead’
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boomerangben
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The article left me with more questions than answers which seems to me indicate that it’s a waste of journalism. Why did they expect to see 5 visible plankton in each 10l of water? What is the historic plankton population distribution? How much did they know about deep sea coral distribution over the years to say how much has been destroyed? And what made me chuckle the most was the statement about the fish being served in Caribbean restaurants!! Now that’s a science I could get fully engaged with!!
fredrussell
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The sea horses are eating the plankton. We should be allowed to anchor destructively in sea grass so as to limit numbers of these anti-planktonites.
Kelpie
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I'm a bit confused about the density of plankton they are talking about.
In my previous job I was responsible for daily plankton monitoring. We would generally take a 1ml sample and find a small number of beasties within it. That's a concentration of approximately 10,000 higher than the article describes.
Maybe we are talking about different types of plankton, or maybe the shallow coastal areas I was monitoring are vastly different to open ocean.
In my previous job I was responsible for daily plankton monitoring. We would generally take a 1ml sample and find a small number of beasties within it. That's a concentration of approximately 10,000 higher than the article describes.
Maybe we are talking about different types of plankton, or maybe the shallow coastal areas I was monitoring are vastly different to open ocean.
DFL1010
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Here's some of their papers. Might be a bit more useful than the journo's take (or the presser).
GOES summary document…Climate change is not just about Carbon Dioxide
Climate Change…Have We Got It All Wrong? An Observational Report by a Marine Biologist
Climate regulating ocean plants and animals are being destroyed by toxic chemicals and plastics, accelerating our path towards ocean pH 7.95 in 25 years which will devastate humanity.
GOES summary document…Climate change is not just about Carbon Dioxide
Climate Change…Have We Got It All Wrong? An Observational Report by a Marine Biologist
Climate regulating ocean plants and animals are being destroyed by toxic chemicals and plastics, accelerating our path towards ocean pH 7.95 in 25 years which will devastate humanity.
SaltyC
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Completely agree.
Unfortunately too many people appear to have 'An Agenda'- we are right.
Once upon a time, long ago in the 'Modern Maths' we studied was a chapter of 'Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics' as the years (Decades) have progressed, I have become more tuned to the ways of presenting 'FACTS' to prove your point of view (Seagrass in Studalnd Bay anyone?) which then have to be disproved. He who shouts loudest?
Yes, the world is warming, it has done so since the ice age when the dinosaurs were driving gas guzzling monster trucks!
We, the human race may (are) exacerbating the problem and need to address it, but we are not the only problem.
I do not quite believe I have had an environmental rant,please excuse me, we do need an educated and informed discussion.
Having lit the touch paper I will retire and await expulsion.
Adios
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Yes totally different than the press article -
"it is our view that land-based nature will benefit from extra carbon dioxide in the environment – it is after-all plant food. We also believe that humanity could adapt to global warming, extreme weather changes, and with enhanced plant growth humans could even flourish from an abundance of new resources in the form of plant life.
However, it is our view that humanity will not survive the extinction of most marine plants and animals (known as marine plankton). One simple fact seems to get ignored - marine plankton form the root of our food chain and are the basis of the life support mechanism for the planet, but they have, to all intents and purposes, been completely ignored in the conversations to address climate mitigation. COP26 in November 2021 was the first time that Oceans had been included. This is all very odd when you consider that millions and millions of dollars/Euros spent on peer reviewed literature shows we have lost more than 50% of all life in the oceans, but from own plankton sampling activity and other observations, we consider that losses closer to 90% have occurred, and these are due to chemical pollution from, for example, wastewater and not climate change."
But how telling that they allowed the focus on CO2 to be added to the article presumably without much upset as they link to it as it is. Probably in resignation that nothing of theirs will be heard if they don't allow the anti-CO2 juggernaut to get on top of them. Like an actress accepting Harvey Weinstein's advances to get a job.
Slowboat35
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Atlantic, dead? What utter cobblers!
Total, complete and 100% bolleaux.
Just ask anyone whose been on a transatlantic trip recenty, ask them how many whales and dolphins they've seen. Ask how many fish they caught if they were trying. Most say they had to stop fishng for an embarrassment of food.
Ask peole who did this 30-40 years ago and compare to sightings now. The top predators are in good shape and much increased in numbers, so ask yourself why/how...
Don't believe a word of it.
This is a troll story.
Total, complete and 100% bolleaux.
Just ask anyone whose been on a transatlantic trip recenty, ask them how many whales and dolphins they've seen. Ask how many fish they caught if they were trying. Most say they had to stop fishng for an embarrassment of food.
Ask peole who did this 30-40 years ago and compare to sightings now. The top predators are in good shape and much increased in numbers, so ask yourself why/how...
Don't believe a word of it.
This is a troll story.
Adios
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I was willing to believe it considering there certainly has been a near total obliteration of flying insects. Used to need a special rough sponge and a spray to clear the car windscreen in the 90s, now its rare to have any splats. Windshield phenomenon - Wikipedia
But very glad to hear opposition to their findings. I don't think I need to be very cynical to imagine people inventing or at least hyping a problem in the hope of being paid to do more research on it. Imagine their institute if they all went out and came back saying "No, its all fine. Bye then, guess I'll see you all down the job center."
Wansworth
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Time will tell as it has withGW
penfold
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Large fauna are a carp indication of the health of the bottom of the foodchain. Academia doesn't work like that, they just find the next lesser spotted newt to study.
Wansworth
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Have four frogs recently squatting in a water tub in the garden
penfold
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Are they endangered? You're safe from HS3 coming through your garden.
Wansworth
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Thereendangered bythe cat?
R.Ems
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Please shift this carp, sorry discussion, to the hypergreenist eco-fanatical watermelon global armageddon section.
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sarabande
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The only crap that is on this thread is concentrated in your contribution.
Tell us, have you learned anything from the papers cited in the discussion, or have you even read them ?
Tell us, have you learned anything from the papers cited in the discussion, or have you even read them ?
Daydream believer
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Pity you did not monitor some of the plankton working for the Royal mail, Hermes, mobile phone companies. utilities, Local authorities, government, tax office, so called marine engineers, for starters - Might have done some good. -- Global warming?? Huh !! Might have saved me from getting well over heated.
Oh & I forgot --BT . How could anyone forget good old British telecom?
Kelpie
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I feel we may be talking at cross purposes.