At £1.50/litre for diesel does the industry have any future..?

Which is more important the type of boat or being out on the water?

New entrants to will more than likely now look towards single engined displacement cruisers to get afloat.
As for moving abroad the cost of fuel was around 90p a litre in the summer over there and is likely to rise just as fast as UK stuff and the cost of petrol does not appeared to have depressed the sales of some pretty thirsty sports boats which are normally the first step into boating.
Suspect we will see a migration from miles to anywhere coastal locations to rivers.
Suppose it also depends how you regard your boating ,is it something you enjoy or something you cannot imagine living without and if that means owning a 10ft dinghy and a manky olde seagull,so be it.
 
Re: Which is more important the type of boat or being out on the water?

On another slant, in the haulage industry from which I make a living, I have never seen such united resolve to put prices up in order to help gordies inflation figures. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Usually there are always some that will try & undercut everyone else, but seemingly not this time. Me thinks the yucky stuff is going to miss the fan this time & hit gordy full square in the face, & bloody good job too.
 
Re: Which is more important the type of boat or being out on the water?

Does this mean that truckers will be not be forced into buying smaller more economical Smart cars as opposed to the "57" plate bull barred up japanese monsters that they usually run around in,normally with garish decals announcing that the vehicle is a Toyota Animal or some such.Probably means their wife will be able to keep the Audi A4 cabriolet as well.
 
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Yes agreed, and sorry there's no good news, out here (Saudi) fuel is cheaper than water...

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It is here too. Petrol is £1 a litre on the forecourt, water is 99p for half a litre in the shop. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif


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New entrants to will more than likely now look towards single engined displacement cruisers to get afloat.

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Only if they're oldgits. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
I really think it will make no difference at at but from a purely selfish point of view. I will still use my petrol boat but if all the diesel boats are gone I will get cheaper moorings. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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Only if they're oldgits.

[/ QUOTE ] The essential difference is its what we old gits do by choice whereas you young Turks are going to have it forced upon you. Guess who is going to end up the happiest /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Look at the positive, if everyone moves there boats abroad, it will reduce the countries carbon footprint, and improve Mr Browns World status.
If oil prices go up $ / barrel, and the value of the dollar is falling, why are fuel prices going up?

Brian

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this is so true comparing 100 $ now is like saying 70 $ a year ago, it's more a dollar movement weakening in this case then a real price hike, but it seems the petroleum producers are ready for any escuse to put prices up

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Just for the record..in January NSea oil was ~$55/bbl, $/£ ~1.95, now it's ~$94/bbl & ~2.07 $/£. Dollar weakness effect is tiny, in £ terms crude oil has risen by 60% this year.

Jon.
 
Re: Which is more important the type of boat or being out on the water?

As most competent truckers try to work to a given profit margin, it simply means they will earn x% of more turnover & therefore will be forced into buying Astons & Range Rovers, & also bigger faster boats in order to spread their new found wealth amongst the community as a whole. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Re: Which is more important the type of boat or being out on the water?

As someone who is new to this forum and to boating - please be gentle with me:)

I know the fuel price affected us in our decision. We bought a small RIB as our first boat and are having lots of fun on it at a reasonabl price - but we looked at a Sea Ray that was for sale but the thought of spending hundres to fill it up just to go out on the loch really put me off.

I think the fuel decision is going to affect boat buying patterns. We aspire to larger boats and hope to build up what we have by changing every couple of years. Although with the current plans on red diesel I don't know if we'll be able to do that - how do you justify over £100 just for a decent day out?

David
 
Re: Which is more important the type of boat or being out on the water?

Dunno, I suppose if you want to have fun on a boat and that's the cost, that's what you have to pay.

Maybe this is temporary and the price will fall again, after all it has in the past although I feel that now we've passed the magic £1 it will stick. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
 
I run a twin engined petrol boat, so probably the worst case scenario. One day recently, I foolishly worked out the true cost of ownership over five years - it came to about £15k pa.
From the top the cost was made up of loss of interest on purchase price, deprecation, mooring and only then petrol.

So I don't think its going to make all that much difference except that just maybe the designers will put some real effort into improving fuel economy like the car ones did a generation ago.

(I use the boat for 60-80 hours a year and keep the consumption down with a fuel computer - well worth the cost)


Geoff
 
Valid point & I wasn't pleading 'poor dieselers' but petrol heads could look at LPG optionally. I know theres a conversion cost but diesels suffer a surcharge initially. I guess my point is a pollitical rant cos it's just another example of 'New Taxation' upon the nation as existing streams of taxation are at the hilt. Look at VAT - not so much the percentage but the 'luxury itmes' that are subject to it!
 
Re: Which is more important the type of boat or being out on the water?

could always move to our Marina Fred, Gib only 20nm away, fuel less than 50p litre
 
Yes thats right, just the same as the UK, it took me the same time to get to theithrow last time I was there (September) - so how is that "taxation works" when there are a number of countries that dont have tax but they seem to work just well/badly as the uk? There's no real answer to it but the UK population by and large accept "the need for tax" so the government doesnt disappoint them - anyway that aside I still enjoy boating and it will take a huge hike in fuel costs to put me off - but I may not be boating in the UK - which is a shame because some of it is quite nice. but now out of my reach.
 
I just spent the summer crusing inland Europe and fuel price is a common discussion point between motor boat owners of all nationalities. Most regretted that they would no longer be making annual visits to the UK. Their visits at present are enjoyable but only made economicaly viable by filling up with red diesel for the return. Do the south coast marinas realise how many visitors from France they will loose.
 
Re: Which is more important the type of boat or being out on the water?

"£100 just for a decent day out?"


No1. Been to any restaurants lately lets say about £80+ for just for an hour or two staring at the missus + getting there ?
No2. How about a nice rock concert with some travel and parking say min £140 and up for two plus if you take the missus add No1 again as well.* /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
*Have not bought the £10 poxy quid programme thingy either.
Trip to the boat Show inc driving 150 miles worth of fuel and a little light lunch + 2 bottles of Pino at that natty Italian just up the road.
What about a day out at Legoland or Alton Towers.
Imagine taking 6 friends out for the day to a F1 race at Silverstone and paying for the whole shebang grub and all,better to take them all out on the boat instead for a fraction of the cost.Boating will still be a bargain.
 
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yes, but maybe you dont go to Legoland every w/end.. and £100 may be significant to one person, and not to another.
Everyone has their own mind to make up. Still, I couldnt help thinking while down at Lymington last w/e (ok, not the hardest up part of the country perhaps), that the marinas are pretty full of expensive boats. Is £1k,2k,3k really going to make so many people chuck it in?
 
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Or a Championship (that's Div 2 to you and I) footie match @ £30 a ticket. Family of 4 + travel + pies 'n drinks + progs = best part of £200 for 1 1/2hrs of entertainment (I use that word loosely). And footie is supposed to be the working man's game
 
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yes, but maybe you dont go to Legoland every w/end.. and £100 may be significant to one person, and not to another.
Everyone has their own mind to make up. Still, I couldnt help thinking while down at Lymington last w/e (ok, not the hardest up part of the country perhaps), that the marinas are pretty full of expensive boats. Is £1k,2k,3k really going to make so many people chuck it in?

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Look at the less fancy boats in cheaper areas. They are the folk that will be nailed. And there are lots and lots of them. Many inland to keep costs down now...
 
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I really can't see it as an issue. People on here, myself included have mentioned we have petrol boats, some with two engines drinking gallons per hour, but we still use them. But these posts are ignored by you all.

Most people barely use the boats anyway so what difference will it make?
 
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