Are sailors standards of behaviour declining

[Blue Sunray]

Well, they damned well should do.....

That's the problem with wearing a club burgee or ensign - you really are seen as an "ambassador" and our errors could reflect badly on the club or association.

If you think you are going to make a mess of things, my suggestion is to fit reversible dodgers with "Claymore" or some other equally innocent party printed on the false side.

I recall at an OSTAR start many moons ago my father or uncle recounting a tale of Royal Marines who were helping out in some way in (presumably) IRCs with ROYAL MARINES painted in suitably large letters in the topsides. A similar point was made about the potential for embarrasment if something went wrong given the TV coverage, 'It's alright sir, we've painted PARACHUTE REGIMENT on the undersides'.

 

[Dutch01527]

I think you have totally mis read the other yachtmans actions. After this post I would say he just did not understand what you were trying to do. I feel he just decided to anchor. He presumed you were not anchoring there and just though I’ll get ahead a get settled in the hook.
I dont think he could have done it on purpose the last person you want to upset is someone of your build and size lol

You are more charitable than I am. What else could I possibly be doing except approaching the anchorage? It was at 5.00pm, I was heading directly towards shore, a few hundred yards off the beach in a designated anchorage, in a sailing boat under motor in a location where anchoring is the only option are that state of the tide.

Did he think I was fishing, conducting a sea bed survey, collecting shells or searching for pirate treasure?

He steemed past at full belt, stopped shortly in front of me and dropped his anchor causing me to take avoiding action. I can see no way I miss read the situation. Not a massive deal, just bad manners and bad seamanship imho.

 

[RupertW]

You are more charitable than I am. What else could I possibly be doing except approaching the anchorage? It was at 5.00pm, I was heading directly towards shore, a few hundred yards off the beach in a designated anchorage, in a sailing boat under motor in a location where anchoring is the only option are that state of the tide.

Did he think I was fishing, conducting a sea bed survey, collecting shells or searching for pirate treasure?

He steemed past at full belt, stopped shortly in front of me and dropped his anchor causing me to take avoiding action. I can see no way I miss read the situation. Not a massive deal, just bad manners and bad seamanship imho.

I agree with you - he clearly was trying to beat you to the anchor spot - as I would have done too - in crowded anchorages I've learned it's a race that you either compete in or lose. Anything else will put your boat in a worse situation for the night which is not good skippering - either in a less safe anchorage spot or worse still further away from your favourite restaurant. Being decisive and in control counts in in boating and in life.

 

[NormanS]

I agree with you - he clearly was trying to beat you to the anchor spot - as I would have done too - in crowded anchorages I've learned it's a race that you either compete in or lose. Anything else will put your boat in a worse situation for the night which is not good skippering - either in a less safe anchorage spot or worse still further away from your favourite restaurant. Being decisive and in control counts in in boating and in life.

That confirms the title statement.

 

[Dutch01527]

I agree with you - he clearly was trying to beat you to the anchor spot - as I would have done too - in crowded anchorages I've learned it's a race that you either compete in or lose. Anything else will put your boat in a worse situation for the night which is not good skippering - either in a less safe anchorage spot or worse still further away from your favourite restaurant. Being decisive and in control counts in in boating and in life.

Ok, you have convinced me. I should have ignored my Father when he taught me that manners and gentlemanly behaviour were important. I am going out to practice pushing past old ladies at the bus stop to grab the last seat on the bus. That should stand me in good stead for my next anchoring adventure. Much appreciated ?

 

[RupertW]

Ok, you have convinced me. I should have ignored my Father when he taught me that manners and gentlemanly behaviour were important. I am going out to practice pushing past old ladies at the bus stop to grab the last seat on the bus. That should stand me in good stead for my next anchoring adventure. Much appreciated ��

It was the race for seats on the Tube which gave some valuable life lessons, since then happily applied to sailing. Be decisive and only be generous when you are sure the recipient will be the person you want it to be, not someone quicker than you. I'm still unclear why you think you had a right to that spot despite getting there second.

 

[doug748]

Ok, you have convinced me. I should have ignored my Father when he taught me that manners and gentlemanly behaviour were important. I am going out to practice pushing past old ladies at the bus stop to grab the last seat on the bus. That should stand me in good stead for my next anchoring adventure. Much appreciated ��

Just the ticket, don't ignore your Dad.

In any silly race like that I always throttle off and let them get on with it. Dutch, if you are Dutch, consider yourself an honorary Englishman ;-)

 

[Poecheng]

Another vote for Dutchy's dad.

 

[Daydream believer]

Ok, you have convinced me. I should have ignored my Father when he taught me that manners and gentlemanly behaviour were important. 

Did your dad teach you to ignore those following behind & dream along with no regard for them & take as much time as you like? Let them wait behind whilst one acts as they are serfs who should just wait for you to finish first?
I hope not, but you get my drift !!!
I was not there and so could not comment on what really happened ---but there are an awful lot of people with that attitude, so when people get fed up & push in they can hardly blame them. Reading this thread makes me suspect a few have experienced this & are reacting accordingly.
There are 2 sides to every story.

 

[moomba]

By not reacting and laughing to oneself at the sheer hilarity of the moment as to watch someone race to any spot before me , is my first though , I do not believe that there was only one anchorage space left, there is always a space somewhere
I have learnt through life that those that need to be first and important have some demons that they need to expel.
There is a difference to winning and competition to just good manners and good will to people , again was not there but unless the OP was in a dangerous position or needed to use evasive manoeuvres. the other boat has done nothing wrong.

 

[Blue Sunray]

. I''still unclear why you think you had a right to that spot despite getting there second.

Fair point ;-)

 

[oldgit]

Suspect nothing has actually got worse, merely the audience expanded.
Where once it would have been a couple of captive souls at the club bar, one can now vent your ire to the entire boaty universe via the interweb. ?

 

[pagoda]

By not reacting and laughing to oneself at the sheer hilarity of the moment as to watch someone race to any spot before me , is my first though , I do not believe that there was only one anchorage space left, there is always a space somewhere
I have learnt through life that those that need to be first and important have some demons that they need to expel.
There is a difference to winning and competition to just good manners and good will to people , again was not there but unless the OP was in a dangerous position or needed to use evasive manoeuvres. the other boat has done nothing wrong.

We had a similar experience at the entrance to Sanda last August. There were only 2 other boats anchored- so nominally plenty of space. We throttled back , planning to go in as far as we could - and leave plenty of space behind us. The other boat (Swiss flag) charged across our bow with their engine going flat out. They then proceeded to drop their anchor in a position neatly blocking up both available spaces. Thoughtless behaviour. We anchored off in deeper than usual water. I think that sort of performance is much of what the OP was objecting to.

 

[Poecheng]

We had a similar experience at the entrance to Sanda last August. There were only 2 other boats anchored- so nominally plenty of space. We throttled back , planning to go in as far as we could - and leave plenty of space behind us. The other boat (Swiss flag) charged across our bow with their engine going flat out. They then proceeded to drop their anchor in a position neatly blocking up both available spaces. Thoughtless behaviour. We anchored off in deeper than usual water. I think that sort of performance is much of what the OP was objecting to.

Prepare for incoming - how you misjudged it in every possible way and that it is, in truth, your fault :encouragement:

 

[pagoda]

Prepare for incoming - how you misjudged it in every possible way and that it is, in truth, your fault :encouragement:

Perhaps , but I am of the general opinion "do unto others as you would have done to you" The alternative is a free-for all of gross selfishness and no manners....

 

[Daydream believer]

We had a similar experience at the entrance to Sanda last August. There were only 2 other boats anchored- so nominally plenty of space. We throttled back , planning to go in as far as we could - and leave plenty of space behind us. The other boat (Swiss flag) charged across our bow with their engine going flat out. They then proceeded to drop their anchor in a position neatly blocking up both available spaces. Thoughtless behaviour. We anchored off in deeper than usual water. I think that sort of performance is much of what the OP was objecting to.

How do you know that they were going flat out,-- just because they were going faster than you?
Seems to be that anchoring with plenty of space around them was sensible.

 

[Resolution]

We had a similar experience at the entrance to Sanda last August. There were only 2 other boats anchored- so nominally plenty of space. We throttled back , planning to go in as far as we could - and leave plenty of space behind us. The other boat (Swiss flag) charged across our bow with their engine going flat out. They then proceeded to drop their anchor in a position neatly blocking up both available spaces. Thoughtless behaviour. We anchored off in deeper than usual water. I think that sort of performance is much of what the OP was objecting to.

I thought the Swiss were meant to be non-combatants?

 

[RupertW]

Perhaps , but I am of the general opinion "do unto others as you would have done to you" The alternative is a free-for all of gross selfishness and no manners....

An anchorage is a seething pot of resentment and rows and huffing and puffing about territory except when we forget our neighbours and dive in for a swim or have a beer.

But I'd love to hear the whingers on this thread tell us about the times they held back and let somebody else take the spot they wanted, and were happy when somebody qucker than either of them got there first. If you want to book a space go to a marina.

 

[NormanS]

An anchorage is a seething pot of resentment and rows and huffing and puffing about territory except when we forget our neighbours and dive in for a swim or have a beer.
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I have never been in one of your type of anchorages - thankfully.

 

[awol]

I have never been in one of your type of anchorages - thankfully.

I've never dived into Puilladohbrain for a swim (or had a fight in the troosers). Am I missing something?