Are sailors standards of behaviour declining

JumbleDuck said:
Unfortunately the Crinan Canal can be a very good place to see some shocking manners, though still only from a minority. It always seems to be visiting English boats, too, importing Solent bustle to the sleepy West Highlands.
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Come come! Only time I was ever actually hit in a Scottish canal by another boat was by a local work boat. Admittedly it was a Sunday morning and so they were probably still pissed, but oafishness knows no bounds.
 
Not meant to be snooty or know it all, but my no 1 tip for keeping blood pressure low and living a long and happy life is never assume conspiracy when simple co&^ up fits the facts.

The bloke coming past may have simply made a pigs-ear of it by not realising what you wanted and is embarrassed, or thinking 'bloody beginner' (whether right or wrong isn't relevant), or just having a moment of PMT. Or he my be a prat, but what counts above all is not to let it get to you! Nothing bad happened.
 
JumbleDuck said:
It always seems to be visiting English boats, too, importing Solent bustle to the sleepy West Highlands.
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Our worst experience in the canal was with four Scottish bumblies who pushed passed as as we were entering at Ardrishaig.

Once inside the sea lock, they then told us that two people couldn't possibly take a boat through. We'd done it many times before.

It turned out that even four of them on board they we incapable of controlling their warps or their yacht. After a couple of locks we decided to avoid the possibility of a collision by tying up and letting these clowns get away through on their own.

Sadly, that boat was flying a RHYC burgee. Their behaviour and boat handling fell below the standards that I would expect from that club.
 
STILL AFLOAT said:
Of course , standards are declining, just look at the marine division of the travellers.
Add to that, the advent of cheap GPS units, that now allow the uninformed, to go to sea, then try to get help ,after a lightning strike takes out their electrics ? Or any other electrical failure ?
A lot of the clowns I know, dont even bother with paper charts, since the laptop does it all, until it stops working, for whatever reason.
Yes I still carry my sextant and my air nav books. I have a small vhf and a small gps ,in carrymat foam lined tins, that act as farraday cages, so even after a lightning strike, I have short range coms + gps with spare batteries.
I cannot remember the ammount of times , I have had to explain to, techy type tossers, Ok if you are mid atlantic & suffer an electronic breakdown ??
The sun rises in the East & sets in the West, keep following that, and with no nav gear at all, you will reach land eventually.
I do not think they do it on purpouse, they are just so full of their mobile phones and their Twit Face Likes, that they walk into lamp posts, cars ,etc, and do not change their ideas at sea.
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Is this you?

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news...ou-take-his-opinions-seriously-20180122142873
 
Sgeir said:
Our worst experience in the canal was with four Scottish bumblies who pushed passed as as we were entering at Ardrishaig.

Once inside the sea lock, they then told us that two people couldn't possibly take a boat through. We'd done it many times before.

It turned out that even four of them on board they we incapable of controlling their warps or their yacht. After a couple of locks we decided to avoid the possibility of a collision by tying up and letting these clowns get away through on their own.

Sadly, that boat was flying a RHYC burgee. Their behaviour and boat handling fell below the standards that I would expect from that club.
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There - at least - 2 clubs with those initials, and somewhat similar ensigns. Both have a defaced blue with a gold lion thereon. One is Rampant and the other Passant. As our club is one of them I am curious to know to which the offender belonged?
 
Ah ok, guess you have not done any ocean crossings, and therefore have not experienced the problems, that exist , out there.
OK thats fine , too.
 
The one that made me facepalm recently was this...I was waiting to enter Sutton Marina in Plymouth, just milling around outside waiting for the gates to open, when an elderly couple in a mobo basically pushed past me the moment the gates opened up. They then took up position about halfway along the pontoon (rather then squeezing right up) and left me a very short space to tie up behind them in.

Once the lock had flooded and the inner gates opened, I basically said "well go on then" hoping they'd stop faffing and go into the marina, to be told "oh no, they we aren't actually going in"

Well thanks for barging past with no bloody reason and then leaving me a much trickier departure as I now had to spring off to get round them! Muppets!!!!
 
Leighb said:
There - at least - 2 clubs with those initials, and somewhat similar ensigns. Both have a defaced blue with a gold lion thereon. One is Rampant and the other Passant. As our club is one of them I am curious to know to which the offender belonged?
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The yin founded in 1881 that is most likely to have a boat with four Scottish bumblies has the rights to an undefaced blue.
 
Iain C said:
Once the lock had flooded and the inner gates opened, I basically said "well go on then" hoping they'd stop faffing and go into the marina, to be told "oh no, they we aren't actually going in"
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WTF?

Why would someone go into the Sutton Harbour lock if they weren't going through into the basin? :confused:

Not surprised you were annoyed :)

Pete
 
I made a mistake a week ago coming out a marina on the Hamble. Almost immediately in the main channel the boat in front appeared to alter to starboard (toward the fuel pontoon). To give him room I altered to port. The boat in front then suddenly just stopped with a good dose of astern. I had way on and was committed to my manoeuvre and his sudden stopping forced me to make my turn to port more extreme, but there was another yacht on my quarter who I inadvertently blocked and caused to alter himself to avoid a collision. I immediately apologised to this yacht, who acknowledged my apology and said he'd clocked what was going on with the yacht in front. When I hailed the yacht in front the crew completely ignored me. (The only other thing I recall about their dirty Westerley was that it had no ensign.)

So there's good manners and bad, good seamanship and bad, and it was probably always thus.
 
I have not read all te thread but I do wish to comment that sometimes it can be very frustrating following people who will not get a move on. My gear lever jumps out of gear at a certain point & the revs at the point it will not do this are about 1200. This gives me a spedd of about 3 kts. So if i have to follow someone doing less than 3 kts I have to keep going in and out of gear. I have just had a basin full of this in the dutch canals where people have slowed down miles too early approaching bridges or locks or just meandered down a canal. The only alternative I have is to stop all together or pass them. Passing makes it look like I am pushing in, but I am not doing this on purpose. I just have to do something. As a result I find it better to get in front ASAP & move on, then if a lock comes up stop & let some following boats go in ( if not far behind) then follow in but overtake them after exiting. I wonder if the problem the OP encountered was something similar. The boat following had no idea what the harbour master had told the Op to do & had no idea what he was faffing about at, so just burned through & got on with the process of anchoring. If the OP knew where he was going one might ask why he was dawdling. Not the answer he wants but!!!!!
 
Daydream believer said:
I have not read all te thread but I do wish to comment that sometimes it can be very frustrating following people who will not get a move on. My gear lever jumps out of gear at a certain point . . . .
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Well, perhaps understandable if the boat in question had the same problem as you and there were several miles of canal ahead, but the OP said they were heading straight at a beach 300 yds ahead. It wouldn't take a lot of knocking in and out of gear to accommodate that, and as the result was the OP having to take urgent avoiding action it was not just rude but hazardous and contrary to ColRegs.
 
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