Arco Arun Dredger collision

[chrisbitz]

following the incedent in the fog last month when the Arco Arun collided with 15 yachts in fog, I was speaking with one of the boat owners about his progress with the claim...

He said that hanson, the owners of the Arun, were not returning his calls and emails, and were denying responsibility! Fairly bizarre when there is at least one witness to the collision!

He's insured with a mutual insurance company, which means he has to do a degree of the running around himself..

Also, when I spoke to a manager at peel ports, I asked if the pilot had been breathalyser, he wouldn't answer, saying that will all come out as a result of the investigation... Strange, since I wouldnhave thought that was a matter of fact, so shouldn't be relevant to any investigation...

Will there be an MAIB report, or is that only when there is a loss of life?

 

[sarabande]

then an approach ought to be made formally to the Press Office of Hanson, saying that the reputation of the group is being compromised. Pretty shoddy service if they are doing nothing.


Hanson is now owned by Heidelberg Cement. Their primary UK PR contact is

01454 332535

 

[sailorman]

I would suggest your friend seriously considers changing his insurer upon renewal. He should be getting support he he most needs it.

 

[ShinyShoe]

Also, when I spoke to a manager at peel ports, I asked if the pilot had been breathalyser, he wouldn't answer, saying that will all come out as a result of the investigation... Strange, since I wouldnhave thought that was a matter of fact, so shouldn't be relevant to any investigation...

So you who doesn't have a damaged boat asked Peel and they said it will all be in the investigation report. Seems an adequate response to me.

Will there be an MAIB report, or is that only when there is a loss of life?

Doesn't need loss if life to get MAIB investigation. To get an answer to the question you'd need to ask MAIB. Its not on their investigation list which either means they are happy for Peel to investigate or they don't know about it. Bearing in mind it happened in port and didn't involve rescue if no one called the CG its dependant on the ship or the port reporting it to them.

But they may be happy for Peel to investigate.

 

[ShinyShoe]

Oh and it needs a solicitors letter... They will respond to that.

 

[Simondjuk]

So you who doesn't have a damaged boat asked Peel and they said it will all be in the investigation report. Seems an adequate response to me.

Doesn't need loss if life to get MAIB investigation. To get an answer to the question you'd need to ask MAIB. Its not on their investigation list which either means they are happy for Peel to investigate or they don't know about it. Bearing in mind it happened in port and didn't involve rescue if no one called the CG its dependant on the ship or the port reporting it to them.

But they may be happy for Peel to investigate.

The MAIB will most definitely know about it, even a scuff against the quayside is reportable. Not all reports result in a full investigaton however, which are the only ones listed as in progress on the MAIB site. At a minimum, an incident such as this will have been the subject of some enquiries and may appear as an article in a safety digest at some point.

 

[jerrytug]

following the incedent in the fog last month when the Arco Arun collided with 15 yachts in fog, I was speaking with one of the boat owners about his progress with the claim...

He said that hanson, the owners of the Arun, were not returning his calls and emails, and were denying responsibility! Fairly bizarre when there is at least one witness to the collision!

He's insured with a mutual insurance company, which means he has to do a degree of the running around himself..

Also, when I spoke to a manager at peel ports, I asked if the pilot had been breathalyser, he wouldn't answer, saying that will all come out as a result of the investigation... Strange, since I wouldnhave thought that was a matter of fact, so shouldn't be relevant to any investigation...

Will there be an MAIB report, or is that only when there is a loss of life?

PM sent Chris, regarding mutual insurance, Jerry

 

[ShinyShoe]

The MAIB will most definitely know about it, even a scuff against the quayside is reportable. Not all reports result in a full investigaton however, which are the only ones listed as in progress on the MAIB site. At a minimum, an incident such as this will have been the subject of some enquiries and may appear as an article in a safety digest at some point.

Wouldn't be the first time something went unreported, but I agree if its as big as the headlines sound you'd expect they know.

But the kids at Cardiff Bay went unreported for months - I assume because self rescued and no commercial skipper etc.
If it was *MY* boat that was damaged I'd call them up and check. If it was a friends boat I would let my friend call...

 

[Simondjuk]

Wouldn't be the first time something went unreported, but I agree if its as big as the headlines sound you'd expect they know.

But the kids at Cardiff Bay went unreported for months - I assume because self rescued and no commercial skipper etc.
If it was *MY* boat that was damaged I'd call them up and check. If it was a friends boat I would let my friend call...

Bear in mind that as well as relying on the industry's compulsory reporting procedures, the MAIB is also proactive. They scan the Coastguard logs in their entirety (which can run to hundreds of entries in each 24 hour period), monitor the news, Sea-Web, have a network of personal contacts within the industry and receive information from the public contacting them directly. Not much goes past them.

 

[chrisbitz]

So you who doesn't have a damaged boat asked Peel and they said it will all be in the investigation report. Seems an adequate response to me.

Not really, they'd called me to ask if I wouldn't mind telling them what happened, as I was a witness to the collisions, and to send them all my pictures taken at the time.

And my tender was involved... Fortunately, I was sleeping on the pontoon at the time!

 

[Stork_III]

Not really, they'd called me to ask if I wouldn't mind telling them what happened, as I was a witness to the collisions, and to send them all my pictures taken at the time.And my tender was involved... Fortunately, I was sleeping on the pontoon at the time!

It is not currently listed as under investigation on the MAIB website. Did you or anyone file a report? http://www.maib.gov.uk/report_an_accident/index.cfm

 

[ShinyShoe]

What difference does it make if they were breathalised? If they were and were negative they just can't drive a boat, if they weren't negative they still can't drive a boat but would likely have some legal action taken against them. Will it affect your repairs?

In a non-injury road accident would the police tell you if the other person was drunk? I suspect you might only know if you went to court...

 

[chrisbitz]

What difference does it make if they were breathalised? If they were and were negative they just can't drive a boat, if they weren't negative they still can't drive a boat but would likely have some legal action taken against them. Will it affect your repairs?

In a non-injury road accident would the police tell you if the other person was drunk? I suspect you might only know if you went to court...

You're jumping the gun a little. My question was was he breathalysed. Not was he drunk.

I'm interested in the policies and procedures for large craft involved in collisions.

 

[oldgit]

It is not currently listed as under investigation on the MAIB website. Did you or anyone file a report? http://www.maib.gov.uk/report_an_accident/index.cfm

It does take some time for notice of an investigation to appear on the website.
It can also be difficult to find anything even when you are certain that an investigation is underway.

 

[Networks]

It's not the first time that the Arco Arun has had problems on the Thames, see the report here:
www.maib.gov.uk/cms_resources/arco arun.pdf

 

[xyachtdave]

I would suggest your friend seriously considers changing his insurer upon renewal. He should be getting support he he most needs it.

Would that be to the super Y-Yacht Insurance company Sailorman?!

It's a shame Hanson have taken the non responsive route, though not surprising, but I'm wondering why you would need to contact them directly?

Surely you lean on your insurers?

It has also been suggested to me that I shouldn't have posted the photos or reported the incident on YBW as it could effect membership and revenue from moorings, which to be honest I didn't think about at the time.

 

[sailorman]

Would that be to the super Y-Yacht Insurance company Sailorman?!

It's a shame Hanson have taken the non responsive route, though not surprising, but I'm wondering why you would need to contact them directly?

Surely you lean on your insurers?

It has also been suggested to me that I shouldn't have posted the photos or reported the incident on YBW as it could effect membership and revenue from moorings, which to be honest I didn't think about at the time.

That was my point, he has no contract with Hanson does he

 

[macd]

It has also been suggested to me that I shouldn't have posted the photos or reported the incident on YBW as it could effect membership and revenue from moorings, which to be honest I didn't think about at the time.

There's a convenient word for that: censorship. You did right.

 

[JumbleDuck]

But the kids at Cardiff Bay went unreported for months - I assume because self rescued and no commercial skipper etc.

Report on the investigation of
the collision between
Two Cardiff Bay Yacht Club RIBs
resulting in injuries to three students
27 October 2010

1.10 REPORTING THE ACCIDENT
The RYA became aware of the accident on the morning of 28 October, and later that
day received an interim report from CBYC’s chief instructor. A more comprehensive
report was prepared by members of CBYC and sent to the RYA on 24 November
2010. The accident was reported to MAIB on 25 November 2010, and to the
harbourmaster on 14 December 2010.

http://www.maib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/CBYC_RIB_Report.pdf​

 

[chrisbitz]

That was my point, he has no contract with Hanson does he

I'm not sure that makes sense? A car driver has no contract with another driver who crashes into him either...?

Is that what you meant?

If one of your employees illegally does something damaging to me, then by law I have the right to seek recompense, don't I? I may employ an insurance company to do it on my behalf, but I'm guessing that mutual insurance companies don't work like normal insurance companies...