Anyone in Lymington got courtesy flags for the Channel Islands?

[macd]

and which country is that . Its certainly not on my British passport.

There's a clue between my username and my post.

And I think you'll find that the word 'British' appears nowhere on the front of yours.

 

[akyaka]

There's a clue between my username and my post.

And I think you'll find that the word 'British' appears nowhere on the front of yours.

My Turkish "bricks and mortar" don't give a clue to my nationality so why should yours , my yabancilara mahsus ikamet tezkeresi says ingiliz and the word British appears under Nationality in my passport as does yours I believe

 

[macd]

My Turkish "bricks and mortar" don't give a clue to my nationality so why should yours

I don't recall mentioning nationality, so much as what it says on the cover, which in turn depends on the issuing authority. FWIW a Manx passport can have one of two (of rather a lot) definitions of British citizen.

 

[Seajet]

Seajet

I think you are confusing the Guernsey and Jersey flags.

http://www.force4.co.uk/1911/Force-4-Courtesy-Flag---Jersey.html
http://www.force4.co.uk/1910/Force-4-Courtesy-Flag---Guernsey.html

As I mentioned earlier, as a Jerseyman I dislike being mistaken for being English, but that is nowhere near as bad as calling me a Guernseyman !!

Angele,

I'm sure you're right, sorry it's a while since I visited your fair isle !

Best not mention anything about the other lot and donkeys then

 

[alant]

IOW is a county, the CIs are Bailiwicks. You DO hoist one for Isle of Man, Falklands and Gibraltar and should for the CIs too. The difference is whether they are a part of the UK or just "British". The CIs are not a part of the United Kingdom and so might not use the same Ensign as a UK registered boat and therefore a courtesy flag is the correct thing to do.

I'm not bothered either way, just thought I ought to point out that they are in no way similar to IOW.

Are not 'courtesy flags', a throwback to the days of woodenclad warships, where flying your 'enemy' flag above your own ensign, indicated surrender to that enemy vessel? These days of diplomacy, indicating your vessel 'suborns' to the authority of the country being visited, even if/when claiming 'right of innocent passage' within those foreign waters.

 

[akyaka]

Are not 'courtesy flags', a throwback to the days of woodenclad warships, where flying your 'enemy' flag above your own ensign, indicated surrender to that enemy vessel? These days of diplomacy, indicating your vessel 'suborns' to the authority of the country being visited, even if/when claiming 'right of innocent passage' within those foreign waters.

something missing Alant ?

 

[alant]

something missing Alant ?

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[akyaka]

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These days of diplomacy, indicating your vessel 'suborns' to the authority of the country being visited, even if/when claiming 'right of innocent passage' within those foreign waters.

Even in the hot light of day cannot make sense of this sentence - is it just me

 

[snowleopard]

What does cause upset in the CI is people who fly a French courtesy flag. I read in YM many years ago of a crusty old yottie who, seeing this faux pas on a nearby boat, called out "Where the bl**dy hell do you think you are?" With that in mind, when I saw a French courtesy flag in St Peter Port, I looked up at it and asked (a little more politely) "are you lost?" The errant crew excused themselves saying they had had a rough time in the Race and had been too busy to change.

 

[snowleopard]

Next question: Courtesy flags in Brittany

What do you wear - tricolour only, tricolour over Breton, Breton only, none?

 

[Twister_Ken]

Next question: Courtesy flags in Brittany

What do you wear - tricolour only, tricolour over Breton, Breton only, none?

Brittany is France, until the French Government decides otherwise, so Tricolour only.

They don't want your courtesy ensign, they want your money.

 

[Bosun Higgs]

Personnally wouldn't bother - nobody in either of those locations will take any notice if you have a courtesy flag up or not.

Where are you weather-bound to, BTW?

Quite. Technically they might not be part of the UK but in reality they are, so I would no more fly a courtesy flag there ( or an ensign) that in scotland

 

[Seajet]

What happened to COURTESY to the locals ?! It creates a better feeling all round, a flag costs a few quid and nothing to hoist, for accountant types it may well get better treatment, for the rest of us new friends.

I fly a Cornwall courtesy flag when there, also a Scottish Saltire and a Breton flag when in those parts.

 

[Twister_Ken]

What happened to COURTESY to the locals ?!

They don't fly a Hampshire flag when they come to Gosport! What about courtesy to us?

 

[alant]

Even in the hot light of day cannot make sense of this sentence - is it just me

Just you.

What don't you understand?

 

[Seajet]

They don't fly a Hampshire flag when they come to Gosport! What about courtesy to us?

You're right, as I sail from West Sussex I really should fly a Hampshire flag when visiting, what does it look like, 2 crossed hen party limo's and a Bayeux Tapestry style depiction of Southsea nightlife ? I lived there BTW

 

[Twister_Ken]

You're right, as I sail from West Sussex I really should fly a Hampshire flag when visiting, what does it look like, 2 crossed hen party limo's and a Bayeux Tapestry style depiction of Southsea nightlife ? I lived there BTW

It's the Rose & Crown. No, it's not a pub.

 

[Angele]

What does cause upset in the CI is people who fly a French courtesy flag.

....or, worse, a Guernsey courtesy flag in Jersey or vice-versa !!

 

[Angele]

Quite. Technically they might not be part of the UK but in reality they are, so I would no more fly a courtesy flag there ( or an ensign) that in scotland

Hmm!

In reality, in just about every way I can think of, the islands are not part of the UK. None of the laws of England and Wales (or Scotland or Northern Ireland) apply in either Jersey or Guernsey unless the (relevant) States has chosen to replicate a "UK law" (shorthand for a law of one or more of the nations of the United Kingdom) and has adopted it. In some cases, the absence in the Channel Islands of the equivalent "UK law" is a positive advantage (IMHO), allowing greater entrepreneurial freedom. In others, it is not - the absence of anti-discrimination legislation, in my opinion, falls into this category. Now, yes, there are some funny ways through the crown dependency route that the UK can use to influence what goes on in the islands that does muddy this independence somewhat, and freedom of movement between the UK and the islands removes some of the appearances of being separate independent states.

The point is that Jersey and Guernsey are self Governing states and that is why Jerseymen and Guernseymen (and women) often feel just a strongly about their national identity.

And, to take issue (somewhat belatedly, since it was post number 3) with Moody Nick's post, to which Bosun Higg's post referred, SOME people in the islands will notice it if you fly a courtesy flag and think the better of you for doing so. Certainly, only a small minority, but some not none. They will not, however, lynch you if you don't.