any help major damage to engine on just purchased boat
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prv
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Why's that then?
I've never come across a saildrive that didn't have a seacock (well, ok, a ball valve and a hose tail) sprouting out the top of it.
+1
Act or Statutory Instrument name would be useful, thanks. Otherwise it's hard to judge the value of such a vague assertion.
Pete
Jcorstorphine
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I am pretty sure your D1-20 your engine is based on the Perkins 403D-07
http://www.perkins.com/cda/files/334131/7/403D-07 Industrial PN1813.pdf
67 mm bore
72 mm stroke
0.76 l
All same as D1-20
If you go down the route for a complete new engine which you can get your bits bolted on, make sure you get the variable speed industrial engine and not the Electorpac unit as they run at a constant speed of 3000 or 3600 for generators.
Howver you can also look for a short block from dealers.
http://www.perkins.com/cda/files/334131/7/403D-07 Industrial PN1813.pdf
67 mm bore
72 mm stroke
0.76 l
All same as D1-20
If you go down the route for a complete new engine which you can get your bits bolted on, make sure you get the variable speed industrial engine and not the Electorpac unit as they run at a constant speed of 3000 or 3600 for generators.
Howver you can also look for a short block from dealers.
clyst
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There seems to be a lot of "barrack room lawyers" posting !! I haven't any legal background but surely once monies have been exchanged on a second hand deal (in this case) the boat ,thevpurchaser has accepted it with all its faults with no guarantee whatsoever
Tranona
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Think you will find that there is no way of reclaiming a worn bore on these engines. There are no oversize pistons available and no meat to allow a rebore or a liner to be inserted. They are truly throwaway engines in the sense that they last (assuming no mechanical failure) as long as the life of the equipment they are fitted to. It is not possible to compare them with other engines that are possible to rebuild.
seaangler23
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I would hav thought that it would be similar to second hand cars, I choose private buying as I can get a better car for less money,i take the risk that if I haven't taken the time to research and look into it I'm at fault, same goes when I sell one, I give an honest description but you never know when something is goin to give up especially something as delicate as a boat engine,
Heckler
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if it was mine I would bet that I could clean the bore up good enough to fit a new piston in it and it would work ok.
Stu
Tranona
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Difficult to say without seeing it, but if there is scoring then doubtful. The OP is clearly not DIY so if depending on somebody else to do the job on a £55k boat, probably wise to have a new engine. £5k is about right for a bobtail engine and 5 hours labour to fit. It is still a current production engine so will not affect the value of the boat.
ffiill
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Water pump fails-blows cylinder head gasket-distorts/cracks cylinder head.Thats what I would expect with a water pump failure if not spotted immediately on any engine continued to be run post pump failure.
Engines will not run without cooling.
That was the Spitfires weakness-the Merlin was glycol cooled and bullet hole in the radiator;and engine would seize up and invariably disintergrate.
Engines will not run without cooling.
That was the Spitfires weakness-the Merlin was glycol cooled and bullet hole in the radiator;and engine would seize up and invariably disintergrate.
bedouin
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It's not about a contract, it's about a duty of care. A professional is likely to have a duty of care towards anyone he knows will be relying on his work.
Boo2
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It seems to me that your contract with the vendor was for the engine problems to be fixed and this has obviously not been done. Therefore the vendor is in breach of contract and you should be able to sue. Do you have writtern (email, letter, etc) documentation of the discussion that led to the vendor agreeing to fix the problem ? If not then it may not matter given that there will be documentation of the vendor's contract with the engineer who "fixed" the problem.
You will need to write to the vendor (not the broker) explaining that he is in breach of contract and if you do not get satisfaction you will pursue a legal course. IMHO you are entitled to restitution to the point you would have been at if the engine had not failed and that might be a complete overhaul of the existing engine or a replacement with a second hand example in similar condition. For the £4-8k that is likely to cost it is probably worth seeing a solicitor.
Best of luck,
Boo2
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Bobobolinsky
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I can reccomend Diperk
A new 403-07 industrial was £2300 two years ago as I was looking at one for my boat. New one on EBay £1875
Not worth buying these secondhand, as said they are a throwaway engine. A new block, was only £250 a few years ago, so £500 for parts. Very popular in mini diggers etc
A new 403-07 industrial was £2300 two years ago as I was looking at one for my boat. New one on EBay £1875
Not worth buying these secondhand, as said they are a throwaway engine. A new block, was only £250 a few years ago, so £500 for parts. Very popular in mini diggers etc
Bobobolinsky
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Apparently there is a known fault with these units with rust forming in the exhaust, they need cleaning out on a regular basis, or cylinders can be flooded
Marsupial
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not so any more, and I resent being described as a barrack room lawyer, please do try and keep up with current consumer law. The recent changes to the consumer law make it incumbent on the seller to effectively "warranty" second hand goods for 6 months against material defects.
Yes I know you don't know about it "they" keep it quiet, for instance how many people know about the SOG act 1979 2002 amendment and its implications? Answer, very few because it puts the onus on the seller to provide burdens of proof not the buyer. The latest round of amendments puts every seller of used goods at risk of huge claims within the first 6 months. The playground has changed.
Malish
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Appreciate this is a bit of thread drift but how do the above changes work with something like e-bay? or are auctions treated differently (but then there is the "buy it now" option...)
fisherman
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Caveat emptor. A case came to court, a second hand car was sold, ad said 'good condition'. Buyer found a couple of minor issues and knocked the price down. Took the car to his garage, they found major brake problems, he asked for his money back. In court the judge said the 'good condition' contract no longer existed as the buyer had established it was not in good condition, and had renegotiated the terms of the sale.
So when you buy something look the vendor in the eye and in front of witnesses, or in writing, ask him pointed specific questions about the item for sale. I sold an old boiler (yeah, yeah, I only got three camels for her) I had no idea if it worked but I told the buyer if it was no good to him he could have his money back within one week and his friend was a witness. He haggled and I said OK, reduced price and no guarantee, he paid up.
SOG act seems to relate to businesses:
Quote:
"What is the Sale of Goods Act 1979 and what does it do?
The Sale of Goods Act 1979 (as amended by the Sale and Supply of Goods to Consumers Regulations 2002) gives consumers rights when they buy goods from a business."
So when you buy something look the vendor in the eye and in front of witnesses, or in writing, ask him pointed specific questions about the item for sale. I sold an old boiler (yeah, yeah, I only got three camels for her) I had no idea if it worked but I told the buyer if it was no good to him he could have his money back within one week and his friend was a witness. He haggled and I said OK, reduced price and no guarantee, he paid up.
SOG act seems to relate to businesses:
Quote:
"What is the Sale of Goods Act 1979 and what does it do?
The Sale of Goods Act 1979 (as amended by the Sale and Supply of Goods to Consumers Regulations 2002) gives consumers rights when they buy goods from a business."
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Bosun Higgs
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No, that isnt the law. Firstly the seller has not to make any misrepresentations ( "this car has never been in an accident" when in fact its been written off and rebuilt) and both seller and buyer have to fulfill their agreed contract. In this case it could be that the contract included a committment by the seller to cure the overheating problem. It looks as if he didnt and so may be liable for the costs incurred. Its up to the seller whether he has any sort of claim against the mechanic who dealt with the pump - nothing to do with the buyer who has no contract with that mechanic.
If the OP cannot come to a friendly deal with the seller then he may well have a legal case but he needs a real lawyer with all the facts to know that.
single
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I don't think there is anything you can do. It was working, the overheating prob was fixed and is still ok, the surveyor only does visual so could not know whats going on inside the engine.
davidfox
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I agree with Bosun Higgs. I think a number of you are missing the point. What is interesting though is that this has gone on for 6 pages and nothing further from the OP after the 1st page, has he lost interest? Sorry page 2
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Rigger Mortice
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You've mentioned these recent changes before. What exactly are those changes?
FWIW I've not heard of any dramatic changes in the law regarding private sales of secondhand goods but I'd be interested to know more.
