Another RNLI Boat Out of Use

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/f...ts-peterhead-crewman-for-very-strange-reason/

Maybe part of it, maybe not.

https://www.buchanobserver.co.uk/news/people/peterhead-lifeboat-taken-off-service-1-4941728

“Unfortunately, some crew members have been unable to work together to put the lifesaving service before their own personal rivalries and historic disagreements, resulting in the decision that they can no longer remain as part of the crew.”

The spokesperson added: “As an emergency service, the RNLI has a responsibility to ensure the safety of our crews, our partners and those whose lives we save. We can only help others if we work as a team and keep ourselves safe first.


“Maintaining high standards and adhering to required protocol and behaviours is the cornerstone of any emergency service. Trust between our crew members is an essential element of the lifesaving operation – our volunteers have to be able to rely on each other and work as a team when called out to deal with high risk and dynamic rescue operations.


“We are committed to our lifeboat station at Peterhead and are taking immediate action to resolve the situation.


“In the right environment, we are confident that the remaining crew can operate a safe, effective and sustainable rescue service and we will be working closely with them over the coming months to get the lifeboat back on service as quickly as possible.”
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Sounds as if there is a difference of opinion over getting on with things and HSE standards if I compare the two articles.
 
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BlowingOldBoots said:
Sounds as if there is a difference of opinion over getting on with things and HSE standards.....
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"'No shit, Sherlock!" is one of the bits of banter that's going around - allegedly.

Then this
“The RNLI has previously met with, and written to, some of those concerned to explain the type of behavioural changes that need to be made....."
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That has the whiff of 'snowflake' management speak. Have we been here before....?
 
The RNLI has legal responsibilities. Duty of care is one. A pretty ambiguous and possibly far reaching one.

Volunteers or not, the equipment and vessels being used in hazardous situations requires risk assesments and action on asessed risk.

I dont know any more than the links have said, but longstanding divisions and rivalries within the volunteers cannot be a good thing as far as the legal responsibilities of the RLNI are concerned.

If the local crews cant or wont accept this and put the house in order, the RNLI are doing what they must.

Simples.
 
I've worked for a few national charity organisations and know someone closely involved with RNLI admin...

In each and every case there's self - serving buroucracy and lining management pockets way before any thoughts of actually doing the job on the label.
 
Seajet said:
I've worked for a few national charity organisations and know someone closely involved with RNLI admin...

In each and every case there's self - serving buroucracy and lining management pockets way before any thoughts of actually doing the job on the label.
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Perhaps so, but what EXACTLY do you know about the Peterhead situation?

If, like me, all you know is what is in the links, you are surely jumping to a delusion.

There are always difficulties between management and staff/volunteers.

What has changed in the last couple of decades is that Management must be accountable to the H&S legislation now in place.

The Insurance Industry require the Insured to comply also.

So what do the RNLI do Andy?

Turn a blind eye to internal strife within the station, thus not complying with statutory requirements?

As I said, it's always been us and them. But, if one side wont change their philosophy and practices, these H&S mad days, management have only one option.

It seems to me that this has been a long running situation and the decision has been taken reluctantly and after a long period of discussion/arbitration.
 
Rotrax,

this is a problem for all charities, I was got at for letting a young teenage boy up a proper aircrew ladder( a design which seemed perfectly good for decades, this was an immaculate example ) to fulfil his dream of sitting in a Hawker Hunter cockpit, despite my and his father being with him every step of the way.

I used to work with a REAL Health & Safety guy at BAe Dunsfold, he was a proper engineer and wouldn't have come up with the BS amateurs like to make up as they go along :rolleyes:
 
That has the whiff of 'snowflake' management speak. Quoth the neanderthal

It has the whiff of a management willing to call out Neanderthals Quoth the snowflake

Not suggesting the posters are neanderthals or snowflakes

I've absolutely no doubt that there are self-serving pricks in the RNLI, such wastes of oxygen get everywhere they aren't needed, but the RNLI is a multi-million pound business that, by and large, runs effectively - they're always there when they're needed and I rather doubt their worst critics would turn them away when it all goes titzup - so they need managers - good ones, who are the suits we love to hate, a bit like those "parasitical NHS managers".

I know no more than anyone else, but I can't imagine that they'd take the huge step of closing a station with all the risk, controversy and PR damage without a decision at a very high level and trying everything to sort it out first.
 
Seajet said:
Rotrax,

this is a problem for all charities, I was got at for letting a young teenage boy up a proper aircrew ladder( a design which seemed perfectly good for decades, this was an immaculate example ) to fulfil his dream of sitting in a Hawker Hunter cockpit, despite my and his father being with him every step of the way.

I used to work with a REAL Health & Safety guy at BAe Dunsfold, he was a proper engineer and wouldn't have come up with the BS amateurs like to make up as they go along :rolleyes:
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Andy, my feathers were severely ruffled with the H&S stuff thirty years or so ago when I was heavily involved with running and promoting motorsport events. What was fine before was taboo all of a sudden.

One guy thought he would do a young kid a favour and let him out on a racetrack to test a bike after racing had finished.

A car drove across the track which was T-boned by the bike, killing the youth on it.

The guy lost his house as he was judged negligent. And he was, IMHO. He had no visual on the access gate to the track the car used, and no idea it was not locked. It was an avoidable tragedy.

If the lad had fallen off the ladder going or coming from the Hunter cockpit, the same might have happened to you.

The fact that pilots and aircrew use the ladder for years means little in a court of law when the shitstirring accident chaser lawers are on the case.

Thats the problem, you cannot exclude yourself from being negligent under our civil law.

And the accident chasers know this.

It certainly cramped my style.

But, on reflection, the motor sports I was involved in as an official and promoter have been the better for tough H&S regulation.
 
rotrax said:
Andy, my feathers were severely ruffled with the H&S stuff thirty years or so ago when I was heavily involved with running and promoting motorsport events. What was fine before was taboo all of a sudden.

One guy thought he would do a young kid a favour and let him out on a racetrack to test a bike after racing had finished.

A car drove across the track which was T-boned by the bike, killing the youth on it.

The guy lost his house as he was judged negligent. And he was, IMHO. He had no visual on the access gate to the track the car used, and no idea it was not locked. It was an avoidable tragedy.

If the lad had fallen off the ladder going or coming from the Hunter cockpit, the same might have happened to you.

The fact that pilots and aircrew use the ladder for years means little in a court of law when the shitstirring accident chaser lawers are on the case.

Thats the problem, you cannot exclude yourself from being negligent under our civil law.

And the accident chasers know this.

It certainly cramped my style.

But, on reflection, the motor sports I was involved in as an official and promoter have been the better for tough H&S regulation.
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I love the TT, but! how many organisations would be allowed to continue with a couple of people being killed every year!
 
Heckler said:
I love the TT, but! how many organisations would be allowed to continue with a couple of people being killed every year!
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My employer, a global company, has multiple fatalities a year.

There is a growing consensus now being actively talked that incidents will happen and the approach should be to limit the consequences of it.

If interested read Work Place Fatalities, Failure To Predict, Tod Conklin PhD
 
Heckler said:
I love the TT, but! how many organisations would be allowed to continue with a couple of people being killed every year!
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Well, we are allowed to drive on the road on a daily basis!

The TT must be judged on the milage covered at racing speeds.

By that criteria it is no more dangerous than the same racing milage at closed purpose made circuits.

It is well to be aware that since World Championship status was removed from the IOM, no one is forced to race there.

I rode four six lap races on the TT circuit in the 70's, three finishes, one retirement.

It cost me, a normal joe, a great deal of money to do it-about £800.00 each year. Almost half my annual salary. I did it to see if I was as good as I thought I was.

I found I was, but also found that plenty were faster!

By comparison with the Skerries or the Cookstown-both of which I survived-the TT course is like a motorway.

At the 1976 Cookstown 100 with four riders on the grid you could easily touch elbows. And I did!

And the grid was on a wide bit.................................
 
This is nothing new. I was a crew man on board a passenger boat who's skipper was the local lifeboat coxswain. He wouldn't work or would not be called out on a shout if certain persons were called and vice versa, this was around 20 years ago. I guess things are more serious these days.
 
I have to say, while I admire the skills of the TT riders it seems utterly suicidal to this ex-Z650 jockey !

Maybe the H&S rules should apply to IOM and car rallys, ' spectators should be behind a barrier, contestants are free to scrape walls and maybe kill themselves if that's the thrill they get turned on by... '

And probably have insurance for motorbike and rider shaped holes in the sides of houses.
 
Having been there and done that...

The RNLI is full of naracists and media whores. The management is so far detached from the actual crews who turn out anytime and every time it is unbelievable.

There is so much money involved they have lost the way in what the organsiation was set up for and used to stand for.

Go back to locals rescuing those in need, the local 'grannies' raising money for THEIR boat, the family tradition..

Rant over.

PW
 
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