Another broker thread

[ylop]

I could waste my time pointing out the bits where your wording (not your grammar) don’t really make sense and the contradictions in your posts but you clearly aren’t interested in any possibility that your difficulties in achieving your desired outcome have anything to do with your communication (a two way process). Go through life getting annoyed when other people don’t do what you want, spit the dummy when someone points out that you might be part of the problem (and is aware enough to acknowledge that it’s not a nice message), and defend yourself suggesting it’s the grammar police if you wish. It’s your life, you can choose the hard path if you want.

But that boat is either already being sold or a polite, patient phone call to the Broker after the bank holiday might just see you get what you want.

 

[Irish Rover]

I could waste my time pointing out the bits where your wording (not your grammar) don’t really make sense and the contradictions in your posts but you clearly aren’t interested in any possibility that your difficulties in achieving your desired outcome have anything to do with your communication (a two way process). Go through life getting annoyed when other people don’t do what you want, spit the dummy when someone points out that you might be part of the problem (and is aware enough to acknowledge that it’s not a nice message), and defend yourself suggesting it’s the grammar police if you wish. It’s your life, you can choose the hard path if you want.

But that boat is either already being sold or a polite, patient phone call to the Broker after the bank holiday might just see you get what you want.

Do you keep track of the number of posters that you address in your unique lecturing, condescending way?

 

[steveeasy]

I could waste my time pointing out the bits where your wording (not your grammar) don’t really make sense and the contradictions in your posts but you clearly aren’t interested in any possibility that your difficulties in achieving your desired outcome have anything to do with your communication (a two way process). Go through life getting annoyed when other people don’t do what you want, spit the dummy when someone points out that you might be part of the problem (and is aware enough to acknowledge that it’s not a nice message), and defend yourself suggesting it’s the grammar police if you wish. It’s your life, you can choose the hard path if you want.

But that boat is either already being sold or a polite, patient phone call to the Broker after the bank holiday might just see you get what you want.

That lot made me smile. Ok.

 

[steveeasy]

Still don't understand why you continue to send emails when you get no response. Are they all the same or asking different questions? You have spoken to him on his calls to you but still seem unable to communicate what you want to do, or what you want from him. Why have you not phoned him?

There are always 2 sides to every story. We are only hearing your side. What was in the emails? were they all the same? maybe they did not arrive with him? maybe the content did not make sense to him so he ignored them? Who knows?

Not sure why you are airing this here anyway other than slagging off an unknown broker. Little anybody can do to help you progress this possible purchase other than advise you to speak directly to him (or her).

I suspect that maybe the other party interested in the boat is going forward with the purchase and the broker judges not worth pursuing your enquiry. Your last paragraph maybe says it all. Based on what you have written here I fail to see how you can say all that. At least good that you have not named the person on the other end.

Yep yep yep.
Bye Bye

Steveeasy

 

[ProDave]

We found the same when looking for our present boat. One was for sale with a N Wales broker. I kept messaging to ask basic questions (could never get through on the phone) It took 2 weeks to get a reply to "is it still available" and the follow up question "Is it sea worthy, i.e. is it in a fit state for a sea passage for delivery" went unanswered.

We were prepared to make a 250 mile journey to look at it, if only the broker had communicated with us. In the mean time we made a 150 mile journey, viewed a different boat, bought it and had it transported home (this one was not ready for a sea passage home but was priced accordingly and now in regular use)

 

[steveeasy]

We found the same when looking for our present boat. One was for sale with a N Wales broker. I kept messaging to ask basic questions (could never get through on the phone) It took 2 weeks to get a reply to "is it still available" and the follow up question "Is it sea worthy, i.e. is it in a fit state for a sea passage for delivery" went unanswered.

We were prepared to make a 250 mile journey to look at it, if only the broker had communicated with us. In the mean time we made a 150 mile journey, viewed a different boat, bought it and had it transported home (this one was not ready for a sea passage home but was priced accordingly and now in

With respect Tranona does not understand why I continue to send emails. Why ?. It’s less invasive for the other party. Easier to send when one is working. It only fails when the other party can’t be bothered to respond too.
Now wind yourselves up as much as you like. In the meantime I’ll go and buy the boat.
Happy days
Steveeasy

 

[steveeasy]

Do you keep track of the number of posters that you address in your unique lecturing, condescending way?

They used to wind me up, now they just make me smile.
Steveeasy

 

[ylop]

With respect Tranona does not understand why I continue to send emails.

I think when we were buying anytime I emailed a broker or used their web form they phoned me. I’m sure to qualify me as a real lead or time waster. By the end I was just phoning them, and I think the boat we actually bought I just walked in!

Why ?. It’s less invasive for the other party.

I’m not sure it is anymore. When email was first invented it was game changing because you could send a letter or memo and get a response often the same or following day and people purposely checked their email so it wasn’t invasive like a phone call and could work around timezones / work patterns etc. In 2025 it will appear instantly on your phone to interrupt what you are doing, often even “out of hours”, and people have become so expectant of fast responses they think nothing of sending a follow up if it’s gone unanswered for a few hours. You sent 8 emails in a weeks asking the same thing - hardly less invasive!

Easier to send when one is working. It only fails when the other party can’t be bothered to respond too.

Or if the email is lost to a spam filter, or the recipient is swamped with messages, or has the audacity to have a holiday or be sick etc. email raises our expectations of a response but doesn’t actually make it easier for the respondent. Certainly I’m guilty of getting an email when I’m not at my desk or in the middle of something and quickly reading it but forgetting a follow up.

In the meantime I’ll go and buy the boat.

Has he got back to you with a viewing time then?

 

[steveeasy]

I think when we were buying anytime I emailed a broker or used their web form they phoned me. I’m sure to qualify me as a real lead or time waster. By the end I was just phoning them, and I think the boat we actually bought I just walked in!


I’m not sure it is anymore. When email was first invented it was game changing because you could send a letter or memo and get a response often the same or following day and people purposely checked their email so it wasn’t invasive like a phone call and could work around timezones / work patterns etc. In 2025 it will appear instantly on your phone to interrupt what you are doing, often even “out of hours”, and people have become so expectant of fast responses they think nothing of sending a follow up if it’s gone unanswered for a few hours. You sent 8 emails in a weeks asking the same thing - hardly less invasive!

Or if the email is lost to a spam filter, or the recipient is swamped with messages, or has the audacity to have a holiday or be sick etc. email raises our expectations of a response but doesn’t actually make it easier for the respondent. Certainly I’m guilty of getting an email when I’m not at my desk or in the middle of something and quickly reading it but forgetting a follow up.

Has he got back to you with a viewing time then?

Yes emails have been exchanged. No could not arrange a viewing. Boat is not sold either.

Steveeasy

 

[Black Sheep]

But I thought you were happy to buy it without a viewing?

 

[fredrussell]

Yes emails have been exchanged. No could not arrange a viewing. Boat is not sold either.

Steveeasy

You’ve bought it then? Congratulations!

 

[Tranona]

With respect Tranona does not understand why I continue to send emails. Why ?. It’s less invasive for the other party. Easier to send when one is working. It only fails when the other party can’t be bothered to respond too.
Now wind yourselves up as much as you like. In the meantime I’ll go and buy the boat.
Happy days
Steveeasy

Sending emails when you are clearly not getting a response does seem a little odd. Why should you be worried about them being "less invasive"? - pretty standard method of communication so there must be a reason why the other party is not responding. Also I am sure that I am not the only one who finds it strange that the broker calls you, presumably on the number you have given by mistake as he thought he was calling the other "buyer" - then does the same not just once but twice again. You do not give a time scale for these failures of communication. How long has this been going on for?

Somehow with no responses from emails and according to you nothing in the phone calls you originally say with confidence that he has told you there are no viewings this weekend. Now you change you story and following questioning you now admit he has communicated with you. Suspect you are still not telling the whole story.

I am not winding you up - I just find your accounts of events (not for the first time) difficult to accept on face value, and I don't understand what you hope to achieve by posting seemingly unfounded accusations about the broker.

 

[Aardee]

Where is the boat? - Maybe someone on here is local and can do a walk-through video call with you.

 

[Blueboatman]

A curious tale
I certainly wouldn’t let a brokers performance prefect me from a purchase
If emails don’t work , why not have a friend ring them up and enquire .
Or ring around the location and verify the boat and broker ?
Etc
It sounds as though a sale is processing to another buyer tbh

 

[steveeasy]

Sending emails when you are clearly not getting a response does seem a little odd. Why should you be worried about them being "less invasive"? - pretty standard method of communication so there must be a reason why the other party is not responding. Also I am sure that I am not the only one who finds it strange that the broker calls you, presumably on the number you have given by mistake as he thought he was calling the other "buyer" - then does the same not just once but twice again. You do not give a time scale for these failures of communication. How long has this been going on for?

Somehow with no responses from emails and according to you nothing in the phone calls you originally say with confidence that he has told you there are no viewings this weekend. Now you change you story and following questioning you now admit he has communicated with you. Suspect you are still not telling the whole story.

I am not winding you up - I just find your accounts of events (not for the first time) difficult to accept on face value, and I don't understand what you hope to achieve by posting seemingly unfounded accusations about the broker.

Really you’re a grown man. Do you need to keep digging.

For heavens sake. I’ll explain once again. I expressed an interest in a boat advertised by a broker. I’ve followed this up all week trying to book a viewing. No responses. I stated I would like to view some times over this long weekend. No responses.

During the week I recieved 3 calls from the broker saying (for example hi your coming today mr smith). Each time I said no I’m mr steveeasy. You’ve the wrong person. I explained I’d like to view over guess the weekend!! I’ll get back to you.
No responses. Sent two yesterday to give him advanced notice. No response.

So in frustration I posted on here. What a mistake it is to do so. Why did I continue to email him I’ve no dam idea now.

I’m going to drive 200 miles tomorrow. Find the boat on river. Look at it from my tender and then buy it. Ok.

Yes the broker knows with his permission yes!!!.

By the way he has not told me if any sale is pending either. If it was I may not bother going to look. Perhaps he just can’t be bothered and my frustration is a little justified.

As for why I worry about emails being less invasive than calls. Cos calls take people’s time up and emails can wait. You don’t get put on the spot to make decisions. That’s why.

The guy called me cos he got his numbers mixed up. What you think it’s my fault too. You say you’re not trying to pick a fight. You are. Get with it and don’t stoop at picking a bloody fight.


Steveeasy

 

[steveeasy]

Somehow with no responses from emails and according to you nothing in the phone calls you originally say with confidence that he has told you there are no viewings this weekend. Now you change you story and following questioning you now admit he has communicated with you. Suspect you are still not telling the whole story.

Just to clarify one further point not that it makes difference.

I sent him a further final email this morning. Politely I explained I’d repeatedly messaged him and it was rude not to respond if he had recieved them. Guess I got a response.
Did not change a story or withhold any details.

It’s only about a lack of communication.. it does happen from time to time in everyday life when one person can’t be bothered to respond.

Steveeasy

 

[Irish Rover]

My sympathy here is with the OP.
I had a somewhat similar experience in 2017 with an absolute plonker of a broker in Lefkas marina. Even though I was travelling internationally to view a boat he made it almost impossible for me to get to see it. I literally had to fight to get an appointment and even then he couldn't be bothered to turn up and sent a girl from the office who knew nothing about it. He subsequently made a complete bollox of the sales process and it only got sorted when I complained to the professional body.

 

[ylop]

As for why I worry about emails being less invasive than calls. Cos calls take people’s time up and emails can wait. You don’t get put on the spot to make decisions. That’s why.

That’s very considerate of you. But your frustration arose from exactly the latitude you provided.

The guy called me cos he got his numbers mixed up

Him doing that repeatedly doesn’t surprise me as much as it surprises Tranona - they presumably use some sort of CRM system to manage customer data. If your data got pasted in the wrong place and then he’s not fixed it he’s going to keep making the same mistake until he eventually realises! That might also explain why he’s not been phoning you - he may think he has but a Mr Smith keeps answering!

The odd bit is that in none of those three calls did you manage to move a further call/meeting/viewing/sale forward. It’s possible he’s the worst salesman in the world but it seems when you emailed his this morning he understood what you wanted and responded.

 

[steveeasy]

Some people are so deluded and in a cube they’d never consider a professional boat person like a Broker might just not bother. They’d think it was all a big tale made up by some insignificant xxxxx like steveeasy.

done well and trully. How dare anyone call or implie ive mislead them. No intention to name or shame or even mention where or what the boat is. Just planned to visit this weekend all week. Why he can’t communicate is beyond me. Do care, not really.

Steveeasy
I’ve edited my post as it contained a phrase that was directed at myself but not politically correct to use.
My Appologies for this.

Now I’ll save what’s left of my own sanity and bow out of this mad and quite pointless thread pulled apart for little reason.
Sod the boat I’ll not bother wasting my time.

Good Day

 

[Tranona]

Really you’re a grown man. Do you need to keep digging.

For heavens sake. I’ll explain once again. I expressed an interest in a boat advertised by a broker. I’ve followed this up all week trying to book a viewing. No responses. I stated I would like to view some times over this long weekend. No responses.

During the week I recieved 3 calls from the broker saying (for example hi your coming today mr smith). Each time I said no I’m mr steveeasy. You’ve the wrong person. I explained I’d like to view over guess the weekend!! I’ll get back to you.
No responses. Sent two yesterday to give him advanced notice. No response.

So in frustration I posted on here. What a mistake it is to do so. Why did I continue to email him I’ve no dam idea now.

I’m going to drive 200 miles tomorrow. Find the boat on river. Look at it from my tender and then buy it. Ok.

Yes the broker knows with his permission yes!!!.

By the way he has not told me if any sale is pending either. If it was I may not bother going to look. Perhaps he just can’t be bothered and my frustration is a little justified.

As for why I worry about emails being less invasive than calls. Cos calls take people’s time up and emails can wait. You don’t get put on the spot to make decisions. That’s why.

The guy called me cos he got his numbers mixed up. What you think it’s my fault too. You say you’re not trying to pick a fight. You are. Get with it and don’t stoop at picking a bloody fight.


Steveeasy

Fine. If you had explained all this from the beginning instead of flying off with half a story that has big holes in it but leads you to make unfounded accusations about the broker. They are busy people and 4 or 5 days of miscommunication is not unusual.

As I said earlier not sure what you hoped to achieve by posting here although you did get good advice to establish a clear line of communication which you now seem to have done. I know it is frustrating but that is not unusual when trying to arrange things like this at a distance.

I hope your viewing goes well and the boat lives up to your expectations, but please don't make an offer based on just an external view on the mooring. You know from your part experiences that buying a boat is not a trivial activity and best take a deep breath, properly inspect the boat, its gear and its provenance. There is no need to rush as it seems from what you now say there is not another potential buyer in the running.

Good lluck