Another boat disaster movie

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Dont know how these YouTube videos keep finding me but after the San Lorenzo Sucks video which I posted a few weeks ago, here is another one about a far from happy Azimut Magellano 53 owner (and with good reason it seems)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yGHGscQmFE
 
I'm in doubt about whether the IT boating industry should be concerned or flattered by the proliferation of these internet anonimous reports suggesting to buy something else, because this one is imho even more ridiculous than the previous one on SL.

I mean, let's leave aside all the objections/questions that could be raised about the presumed construction defects.
It's also what allegedly happened to engines whose reputation is among the best in the marine industry (and can't by any stretch of imagination be ascribed to their installation), which imho sounds beyond a joke.

A high pressure pipe "broke" on the "right" engine?
And they realised that after 200 litres of fuel were pumped in the bilge?
An impeller shaft "broke", eventually setting the e/r on fire?
On 500 hours engines? Really?

It's indeed a pity that LS1 seem to have lost interest in posting here in the asylum, because it would have been very interesting to hear from him how likely is all that to happen on a Cummins QSC 8.3.
 
Eek , that’s grim indeed !
Better the devil you ‘now Mike if you have a good un - keep it .

Not really surprised about the engine issues ,but reading around the subject imho those issues are down to instal - ie the builder .
Could be any engine - take your pick .
Poor mounting , poor alignment, sterngear imbalance, = vibrations - maybe low fq , but with time metal fatigues and pipes or gaskets go .
There’s another subtle reason I have unearthed a rarther dark side of boat building- basically a flexing hull .
Ie the hull ,particularly in the machinery space flexes too much . Big seas numero uno obviously but another reason more secondary— the torgue of the engine twisting while it revs up / or again poor mounts attached to weak bearers attached to paper thin hull skin .
All the above ^^^^ in defence of the engine manufacturers is down to the builders sloppy lay up and install .

With the depreciation of boats with time I,d rarther buy an older traditionally built boat and with the “ £/€ saving “ - refit / refresh / update - etc —— knowing the basics have all ready stud the test of time .

Any how this thread is not a brilliant advert to a typical modern mass production build or aftercare .
 
Portofino said:
Not really surprised about the engine issues ,but reading around the subject imho those issues are down to instal - ie the builder .
Could be any engine - take your pick .
Poor mounting , poor alignment, sterngear imbalance, = vibrations - maybe low fq , but with time metal fatigues and pipes or gaskets go.
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You must be joking, L.
As I said, it would be interesting to hear from LS1 who knows Cummins engines better than anyone else on this planet, but a scenario where an installation is wrong enough to create vibrations capable to break an impeller shaft is in my view so unreal that it's not even funny.
Just think of what happened to the MAN engine in BA due to a faulty vibration damper: BartW had to rebuild the engine, but I don't think he had any problem with the impeller shaft (or with high pressure pipes, for that matter).

That said, I don't disagree with your second to last para, fwiw.
 
MapisM said:
You must be joking, L.
As I said, it would be interesting to hear from LS1 who knows Cummins engines better than anyone else on this planet, but a scenario where an installation is wrong enough to create vibrations capable to break an impeller shaft is in my view so unreal that it's not even funny.
Just think of what happened to the MAN engine in BA due to a faulty vibration damper: BartW had to rebuild the engine, but I don't think he had any problem with the impeller shaft (or with high pressure pipes, for that matter).

That said, I don't disagree with your second to last para, fwiw.
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No , I am not being specific to that impeller only .Just believe in science not luck ( bad luck actually) and from the arm chair mentally doing a post Mortum , trying to work on the aetiology.

I don,t think me and thee has anything to worry about - re hull flexing btw:encouragement:

Barts vibrations where massive and immediate and relatively short lived and noticeable - not the same type .

All the low fq vib stuff and flexing stuff I,am thinking of is chronic and goes unnoticed , every hour of 10,s or in this case 100,s just nibbles away concentrating fatigue fractures/ gasket busts - etc with every mile .
If it’s a slammer in a big sea ( or even a moderate sea ! ) then it’s just effectively been shaken to bits in normal use .
Commentator mentions various water leaks and stains - another banana hull give away .
 
I have seen this video two weeks ago and I thought the same: most of the bigger problems weren't the builders fault. Cummins and Kohler aren't cheap products. Broken impellershaft?�� well, it does happen with pumps but I never have seen a brand new pump with a broken shaft. But, it could happen. But do you have to show a rusted oilfilter because of the leaking pump? It's al about the show. As a good skipper, you should check the engines everyday (no one does��) and if the shaft breaks, cooling fails and the engine will alarm/ stop.
I did see some minor things that should have been fixed earlier but al the main brands have such a list, nothing new there.

I am a bit biased off course �� but I think there is much more going on then this list with issues.��
 
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it's not a great advert for Azimut - lots of little bits and pieces, some shonky fitting/rushed build, some of which I would have thought the skipper would have spotted and sorted before they got worse. Not that gives Azi an excuse in such a new boat.

I lost @ 200 litres of diesel a few years back when a high pressure fuel pipe (volvo D9) partially split and sprayed diesel all around the engine bay. I only realised when the engine computer finally came up with a low fuel pressure warning and the bilge pump came on moments later. It wasn't that hard to clean up - lots of washing up liquid everywhere, once the fuel was sucked up. Bit that was after 1000 hours and 8 years (still a bit crap to be honest)

However the fire is a bit suspicious - how does a failed water cooling pump get so hot to start a fire above the engine without something alarming/shutting down first.
 
I think its shady and some stuff don't add up as has been mentioned. I also noticed him stating getting the boat new and 18 mth's later it had 500h on the engines, while possible it's not very likely.
 
From the pics of the teak, and other fittings, this looks a well used boat, that does not look to be well maintained. I’m not sure how long the Meg has been on the market, but 500 hours must be 3 years plus old, unless chartered regularly? If chartered then one would assume very well maintained? It doesn’t all add up imho.
 
novanta said:
I have seen this video two weeks ago and I thought the same: most of the bigger problems weren't the builders fault. Cummins and Kohler aren't cheap products.
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I always take issue with that kind of statement. You wouldnt buy a Fiat and blame Brembo if the brakes failed. You would quite rightly blame Fiat. I agree that Cummins and Kohler are generally excellent components but it is most definitely the boat builder's fault in the event that these components fail to operate correctly in one of its boats. More specifically, even though the boat builder might have back to back warranties with Cummins and Kohler, the boat builder's warranty to the owner should cover the cost of repairing these items, assuming that the faults have occurred within the warranty period and that the boat has been operated within the terms of the warranty. So IMHO the owner of the Magellano in this video would have every right to take issue with Azimut

Btw I know nothing about the background circumstances of this video. I just posted it for general interest
 
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I always take issue with that kind of statement.
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And rightly so, in principle.
But while what you are saying is surely valid in the automotive industry - and I guess also with the industrial equipment you deal with, I believe that's rather an exception (if any) than the norm, with pleasure boats.

In fact, I'm aware of several builders whose warranty terms explicitly "exclude any components manufactured by third parties, and only their own warranty is passed on to the buyer", or something alone those lines.
TBH, I've never seen an Azimut contract - and if there's a player in this industry which might have the strength to follow a different approach, they are the one - but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Anyway, from my part I mentioned the engines troubles just because I found what was reported about them to be a bit surrealistic, regardless of who/how should warrant them.
 
1- Install is king imho with regards forthcoming issues .Thats the builder

2- Operator Usage re following the components / manufacturing instruction s

Here’s the mighty CAT C32 under scrutiny, - may be of interest to JFM ( and other CAT users )

https://forums.cat.com/t5/Engine-Ro...ds-have-Cracks-between-Valve-seats/td-p/72727

They run hotter than others so little have headroom for overheat situation s .I think is a fare call to say that .
“ Poor water pump back pressure “. - that’s not CATs fault
“ warm up procedure “ not followed - again not CATs fault .
 
Break in procedure is a bugbear for me. I always read the engine manual before taking delivery and I try to not have a sea trial because they like to show the full potential of the engine. I love engines that don’t need running in, like the Cummins QSB (even then I didn’t trust the manual and I contacted the manufacturer to confirm the lack of break in). But apart from the horrific engine fire the rest were just a snagging list (admittedly a pretty poor fit and finish). As for the dealer being slow to act, that seems standard boat industry
 
If (and a big if) the engine fire was caused by impeller failure, surely this is a service issue? At 500 hours, the impeller should have been changed several times.
 
MapisM said:
In fact, I'm aware of several builders whose warranty terms explicitly "exclude any components manufactured by third parties, and only their own warranty is passed on to the buyer", or something alone those lines.
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Well youre certainly correct in that I've never seen that kind of warranty for industrial equipment. Maybe jfm could comment on whether its actually legal or has any basis in contract law. Of course the obvious question is why any buyer would buy a boat with a warranty like that because its just a catch all get out clause for the builder. I mean where would it stop? If the bilge pump on a new boat breaks down, does the buyer have to contact Rule or Jabsco himself to enforce the warranty? A boat is just a huge collection of 3rd party components and in effect what that kind of warranty means is that the boat builder is responsible for nothing other than the hull and maybe not even that if its made by a 3rd party subcontractor. I think maybe what you mean is that the terms of the 3rd party warranties are passed on to the buyer via the boat builders warranty but not the contractual responsibility for warranting the 3rd party components, which is a somewhat different situation
 
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