drawkins
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Simple question.Which of all these anchors will be best in soft mud?
Another **** anchor thread, forgive me?
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Vara
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Bruce
jimbaerselman
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Arguing about modern anchors . . .
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I don't see the point of Rocna getting into a p*ssing contest with Spade - I am sure they are equally effective, it is more whether you want the roll bar or not.
And, of course, that's the point. If it's difficult to prove one or another is definitely superior, then either will do the job adequately. Or, for that matter, any of the modern anchors offer easily measurable improvements over older models, but it's difficult to choose beteeen the new ones. Great. It therefore doesn't matter. Go for ease of installation (that bow fitting!), cost and availability.
Someone asked what you want two anchors for. Two good reasons.
If you're anchoring where there's a reversing tide, you must moor, or risk the hook flipping out and (maybe?) re-setting. Moor? Drop one anchor up tide, drop right back, take the other anchor down tide, heave in both to set them, lash the rodes together, drop lashing just below the keel. You're now ready anchored for the tide turn.
In strong wind areas (over 25kts) most modern boats surge from side to side, alternately yanking the anchor right and left, which works it slowly to leeward, even if it doesn't trip. Lay a forked moor, anchors 60 degrees apart. Then you'll tack much less (with lesser snatch forces), and when you snatch, it'll be in line with the anchor shaft.
Of course, if you don't often anchor overnight, or where the tide turns, or in windy places, these techniques don't matter.
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I don't see the point of Rocna getting into a p*ssing contest with Spade - I am sure they are equally effective, it is more whether you want the roll bar or not.
And, of course, that's the point. If it's difficult to prove one or another is definitely superior, then either will do the job adequately. Or, for that matter, any of the modern anchors offer easily measurable improvements over older models, but it's difficult to choose beteeen the new ones. Great. It therefore doesn't matter. Go for ease of installation (that bow fitting!), cost and availability.
Someone asked what you want two anchors for. Two good reasons.
If you're anchoring where there's a reversing tide, you must moor, or risk the hook flipping out and (maybe?) re-setting. Moor? Drop one anchor up tide, drop right back, take the other anchor down tide, heave in both to set them, lash the rodes together, drop lashing just below the keel. You're now ready anchored for the tide turn.
In strong wind areas (over 25kts) most modern boats surge from side to side, alternately yanking the anchor right and left, which works it slowly to leeward, even if it doesn't trip. Lay a forked moor, anchors 60 degrees apart. Then you'll tack much less (with lesser snatch forces), and when you snatch, it'll be in line with the anchor shaft.
Of course, if you don't often anchor overnight, or where the tide turns, or in windy places, these techniques don't matter.
MacMan
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Danny Jo
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Bruces hold well once set, but can be a pig to set, especially in hard sand. They are also much cheaper than the modern ones.
I haven't tried it yet, but one solution recommended to me was to take an angle grinder to the tip of the Bruce and sharpen it. Probably the solution that Freestyle will settle for, given that her anchor locker won't accommodate a Rocna or a Manson.
dmmbruce
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What an interesting discussion (ignoring the point scoring)
I have cqr main and bruce kedge. Both are good, both give problems. I too am older and concerned about ease of use and handleability.
Does anyone know of a uk distributor or chandler that deals with the "ancoralatina" mentioned above. Not heard of the Raya before. It looks very good.
Any ideas please
Mike Bruce
I have cqr main and bruce kedge. Both are good, both give problems. I too am older and concerned about ease of use and handleability.
Does anyone know of a uk distributor or chandler that deals with the "ancoralatina" mentioned above. Not heard of the Raya before. It looks very good.
Any ideas please
Mike Bruce
machurley22
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There are plans to start manufacturing in the UK I believe but at the moment the only possibility is shipping direct from Brasil AFAIK. Pehaps AL will be back to confirm.
I'm currently using what is probably one of the first Rayas in the UK and am very happy with it so far.
I'm currently using what is probably one of the first Rayas in the UK and am very happy with it so far.
Scotty_Tradewind
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I have no affiliations with any anchor manufacturer.
I looked at videos, read the press available at the time, bought a 10Kg Rocna this spring and it has worked first time every time.
It has been deployed quicker and easier than my old plough having no moving parts it is easier to handle.
Due to its efficiency it has been possible to have a lighter anchor and my wife is now happy to deploy it manually if requested.
I cannot have the Rocna on the bow roller as well as being on a swinging moring like the plough and I am looking to make a suitable pad system to store it on my foredeck similar to those used on CQR's and ploughs.
I looked at videos, read the press available at the time, bought a 10Kg Rocna this spring and it has worked first time every time.
It has been deployed quicker and easier than my old plough having no moving parts it is easier to handle.
Due to its efficiency it has been possible to have a lighter anchor and my wife is now happy to deploy it manually if requested.
I cannot have the Rocna on the bow roller as well as being on a swinging moring like the plough and I am looking to make a suitable pad system to store it on my foredeck similar to those used on CQR's and ploughs.
Manuel
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I would recommend a Danforth unless you would find handling that by hand too difficult for you. If so, go for a Fortress. Both are excellent choices and entirely different from your bower (Delta) giving you the choice if you should need it. It isn't often that the Delta will let you down in any case. If you are thinking of the Rocna or Manson Supreme consider how you will stow them and remember that in design they are similar to the Delta.
AncoraLatina
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Does anyone know of a uk distributor or chandler that deals with the "ancoralatina" mentioned above. Not heard of the Raya before. It looks very good.
Any ideas please
Mike Bruce
Bom dia,
Mike, « Machurley » is right, we are currently studying the possibility to manufacture the Raya anchor in UK for all Europe, but up to now, the only possibility is to order it direct from Brazil. We have already shipped some to UK and everything has been fine.
João