Lakesailor
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I've corrected that for youTSB240,
your boats' design snags are up to you to sort out; don't try to translate them to a boat which would have been fine, just because you made a different initial choice !
Anderson 22 Updated?
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Keith 66
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Some years ago i rebuilt a very tired Anderson 22,(And joined the association which was very useful).
My wife hates outboards in wells due to the noise & i am not to keen either! So the momentous & heinous decision was taken to fit an inboard, a diesel was a no no due to the weight & drag from large prop so the only choice was an RCA Dolphin, it weighed in at 41kgs & sat under the bridgedeck, in fact it was so near the ballast bulb that the boat hardly ever dragged her stern like her outboard powered sisters.
The result was a boat that could get out of the creek against the tide & wind where it was impractical to sail. The feeling was as if a turbine was under the deck, quiet smooth & powerful 12hp is a lot but at half throttle its most economical setting the power curve gave approx 6hp for a good 6 knots. The prop was very small & caused little drag when sailing.
I left the well & plug in place & it was useful as a weed hatch for the prop & to cool beer & wine.
Of course a petrol engine in a boat is not for everyone but i would do the same again.
As for the cabin going over the top became a problem for my other half due to a buggered knee.
All in all she was an excellent little boat that sailed very well indeed but for two people plus child & dog she became really too small so we upgraded to a Sabre 27.
My wife hates outboards in wells due to the noise & i am not to keen either! So the momentous & heinous decision was taken to fit an inboard, a diesel was a no no due to the weight & drag from large prop so the only choice was an RCA Dolphin, it weighed in at 41kgs & sat under the bridgedeck, in fact it was so near the ballast bulb that the boat hardly ever dragged her stern like her outboard powered sisters.
The result was a boat that could get out of the creek against the tide & wind where it was impractical to sail. The feeling was as if a turbine was under the deck, quiet smooth & powerful 12hp is a lot but at half throttle its most economical setting the power curve gave approx 6hp for a good 6 knots. The prop was very small & caused little drag when sailing.
I left the well & plug in place & it was useful as a weed hatch for the prop & to cool beer & wine.
Of course a petrol engine in a boat is not for everyone but i would do the same again.
As for the cabin going over the top became a problem for my other half due to a buggered knee.
All in all she was an excellent little boat that sailed very well indeed but for two people plus child & dog she became really too small so we upgraded to a Sabre 27.
Seajet
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Dunno about too small for family bunks, we 3 - fiancee & self ( both 5'9" ) up front, chum in the saloon - spent 3 weeks going from Chichester to Jersey then around the West Country no problem.
She'd run rings around a Sabre 27 for fun or on the way home to a safe harbour, chum !
Of course that was when we had summers...
She'd run rings around a Sabre 27 for fun or on the way home to a safe harbour, chum !
Of course that was when we had summers...
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aquaplane
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Take it as pomposity if you like, obviously I didn't mean to sound that way and I'm sorry; if you ever learn the advantages of an A22 well or get through a dodgy lumpy harbour entrance or motor across Channel in a calm then have to motor through overfalls, please report back.
Having the OB on the back of the boat has once been a minor problem. In a short steep wind over tide chop the OB came out of the water twice but I made enough progress to keep going untill I was clear of the rough stuff a couple of minutes later.
For that 2 minutes inconvenience I have a clear full length cockpit to use the other 99.99% of the time I am using the boat. I can use the tiller on the OB to steer too, that was handy when the rudder broke, I would imagine that is difficult with an OB in a well.
Anyroad, all boats are a compromise, I'm happy with both mine.
I have never crossed the Channel in a small boat. Did you see the thing about Sam Llwellyn in the current PBO? We do trail sailing like that, a week or so at a time, not for a tide like you seem to think. We followed those boats out of West Loch Tarbert Jura in June, I thought the report looked familiar.
AngusMcDoon
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I think it's about time you posted some pictures. You know you want to.
Alltnaha
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TSB 240, yes I may conduct secret trials with a 20l jerrycan on the transom. When it works a dream I will patent it and make a fortune.
Keith 66 - I took out the Dolphin in my Anderson - it had been poorly fitted and the fuel tank and piping was a problem. When I advertised it I could have sold it 3 times over.
But I did have a Dolphin in a Westerly Warwick I had years ago - as you say like having a turbine - powerful , smooth and light. Bit heavy on the fuel, and stopping the engine when going from forward to reverse always led to any boat in the lock thinking I was about to pile straight into them.
John
Keith 66 - I took out the Dolphin in my Anderson - it had been poorly fitted and the fuel tank and piping was a problem. When I advertised it I could have sold it 3 times over.
But I did have a Dolphin in a Westerly Warwick I had years ago - as you say like having a turbine - powerful , smooth and light. Bit heavy on the fuel, and stopping the engine when going from forward to reverse always led to any boat in the lock thinking I was about to pile straight into them.
John
aquaplane
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E can't, puter is bust.
How about this, someone was asking about a slidey bracket?:
You may be able to make out a 3" bit of wood at the bottom of the mount, that stops the motor going in too far. There was another piece of wood when I bought the boat but I took one out.
There she is sailing, the prop is out of the water but any more heeling and it starts to dip in a bit. OK on the other tack. En route to Tobermoray that one.
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TSB240
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Outcome of Pub Brainstorming session
That Ob is heavy, I should know I have one in my garage and its a big lump in comparison to the Tohatsu 9.8
Your Harrier carries it well! even though its not in one? Doesnt the Harrier have one?
Your post and the combined brainstorming of me and me mates in the Dog and Duck have convinced me of the way forward.
I should fix the 9.8 Tohatsu to the transom.
I am sure after suitable practice that I can then throw the 4 hp lightweight johnson that I carry on the pushpit for the inflatable into the well or leave it on the rail and plug the well without risk to my pinkies
All my answers from landlubber engineers
My best mate even reminded me I could probably then offer wakeboarding to my daughter if I use both at the same time...
Proof of the idea will be if it is still valid in the cold light of Dawn
Hic
E can't, puter is bust.
How about this, someone was asking about a slidey bracket?:
You may be able to make out a 3" bit of wood at the bottom of the mount, that stops the motor going in too far. There was another piece of wood when I bought the boat but I took one out.
There she is sailing, the prop is out of the water but any more heeling and it starts to dip in a bit. OK on the other tack. En route to Tobermoray that one.
That Ob is heavy, I should know I have one in my garage and its a big lump in comparison to the Tohatsu 9.8
Your Harrier carries it well! even though its not in one? Doesnt the Harrier have one?
Your post and the combined brainstorming of me and me mates in the Dog and Duck have convinced me of the way forward.
I should fix the 9.8 Tohatsu to the transom.
I am sure after suitable practice that I can then throw the 4 hp lightweight johnson that I carry on the pushpit for the inflatable into the well or leave it on the rail and plug the well without risk to my pinkies
All my answers from landlubber engineers
My best mate even reminded me I could probably then offer wakeboarding to my daughter if I use both at the same time...
Proof of the idea will be if it is still valid in the cold light of Dawn
Hic
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TSB240
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E can't, puter is bust.
How about this, someone was asking about a slidey bracket?:
You may be able to make out a 3" bit of wood at the bottom of the mount, that stops the motor going in too far. There was another piece of wood when I bought the boat but I took one out.
There she is sailing, the prop is out of the water but any more heeling and it starts to dip in a bit. OK on the other tack. En route to Tobermoray that one.
Like the side decks make it much easier to go forward.................
not like being on a.................
Wait For it......................................................
Barge......................
Seajet
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Personally I think that collection of junk on the transom is unsightly, also vulnerable when rafted out.
I take it weight distribution, refuelling and working on engine, prop immersion and access to controls steering while looking backwards are not snags in TS240 land !
My boat has motored across the Channel several times out of her 24 crossings so far, usually at least a little breeze picks up and progress is rapid.
I take it weight distribution, refuelling and working on engine, prop immersion and access to controls steering while looking backwards are not snags in TS240 land !
My boat has motored across the Channel several times out of her 24 crossings so far, usually at least a little breeze picks up and progress is rapid.
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AngusMcDoon
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johnphilip
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single track
Seajet
You obviously do know something about boats,but be a little less obssive about everything on your boat is right and everything else in the world is wrong. The OP was of a very pretty boat, but you could not resist picking up details which you then decried, and then follow up with dogma about anyone else's views. Sorry I know this is personal and discussion is one thing to keep the forum lively but reread some ofyour posts if possible with a less polarised pair of eyes.
One can point out attributes, usually in answer to queries or unfounded criticism, without selling anything; I would suggest that gives a little more credence to what I have to say, and at least I know the subject I'm commenting on.
Seajet
You obviously do know something about boats,but be a little less obssive about everything on your boat is right and everything else in the world is wrong. The OP was of a very pretty boat, but you could not resist picking up details which you then decried, and then follow up with dogma about anyone else's views. Sorry I know this is personal and discussion is one thing to keep the forum lively but reread some ofyour posts if possible with a less polarised pair of eyes.
Seajet
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JohnPhilip,
I'm well aware of your point - thanks anyway, sincerely - but please note I am trying to refute the odd p'take and mindless criticism, so in trying to answer that I probably come over all evangelical !
The truth is the Anderson 22 is by no means perfect, just the best in that size range / format I've come across, and I've had her long enough to compare with the others.
Andy
I'm well aware of your point - thanks anyway, sincerely - but please note I am trying to refute the odd p'take and mindless criticism, so in trying to answer that I probably come over all evangelical !
The truth is the Anderson 22 is by no means perfect, just the best in that size range / format I've come across, and I've had her long enough to compare with the others.
Andy
Seajet
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Angus,
I know the second boat 'Bright Star' she's on the A22 website.
I know the second boat 'Bright Star' she's on the A22 website.
Seajet
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Aquaplane,
actually you've suffered 100% of the time from having the engine hung off the end but maybe your boat gives no options; I still have a clear cockpit.
As for trailer sailing, you're obviously doing it as right as that dubious practice gets, the real answer is to find somewhere you like and get a mooring.
Seajet
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Took you some time to realise that.
Any answers to my 3 ? in my last post or is the only answer for me to attend a training course on how to safely mount an ob in a hole?
TSB240,
please remind me again - really - of your snags and how on earth your fingers are in danger, are you sure you've got the outboard the right way up ?
aquaplane
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As for trailer sailing, you're obviously doing it as right as that dubious practice gets, the real answer is to find somewhere you like and get a mooring.
I do have a mooring somewhere I like but as I'm adventurous and not set in my ways I also have the option of visiting North Wales, Mylor or even god forbid the Solent for a cruise.
I do like it that it isn't a half tide mooring too, I can come and go as I like.
Dylan is even making the Humber look like a possibility despite my parents having a disasterous season sailing out of Grimsby years ago.
As for suffering 100% of the time, I haven't noticed. The boat is trimmed Ok as she is designed. All the kit aboard to make cruising life a little more comfortable and the "few extra pounds" I carry probably have more effect than where the motor is.
TSB240
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Personally I think that collection of junk on the transom is unsightly.
Yep but functionality is sometimes more important than aesthetic beauty.
I would be happy to ensure you could never catch sight of such an offensive view. (Note to self post a picture as soon as fitted!
Steve
TSB240
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The cold light of Noon....... I am Sober!
I hope you had some way of mitigating the risk of choking,or dying on the fumes and going deaf ?
See post by one of your own!
My personal prefference of cross chanelling has been and will be the Portsmouth/St Malo Ferry2hrs later your in South Brittany Much prettier than Cherbourg.
I couldnt possibly sail across as I dont have Radar
Weight distribution?
Not a problem for either my boat or Aquaplanes
Refuelling?
Remote Tank?
Working on engine?
Its a Tohatsu the only time I work on it is for its annual service at home
Prop immersion?
Yep willing to accept a compromise but I can always use the well in extremis.Thats as long as I have been fully trained in its use!
Controls?
Oh do you have a recoil starter?
push button electric start
Extended twist throttle and/ or remote gear change.
No need to keep plugging and unplugging the charging circuit.
No problem.... Probably better than groping head down into the bottom of the cockpit.
My boat has motored across the Channel several times
I hope you had some way of mitigating the risk of choking,or dying on the fumes and going deaf ?
See post by one of your own!
My personal prefference of cross chanelling has been and will be the Portsmouth/St Malo Ferry
2hrs later your in South Brittany Much prettier than Cherbourg.I couldnt possibly sail across as I dont have Radar
TSB240
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Amazing.................................
Have I understood this correctly
I am stunned by this.
Do you really think trailer sailing is a dubious practice?
Aquaplane,
Actually you've suffered 100% of the time from having the engine hung off the end but maybe your boat gives no options.
You stand corrected Aquaplane!
It is a Copeland HARRIER
I am fairly sure Aquaplane has the option of plugging his well also![/B] but I dont know the market nearly as well (pun intended
As for trailer sailing, you're obviously doing it as right as that dubious practice gets, the real answer is to find somewhere you like and get a mooring.
Have I understood this correctly
I am stunned by this.
Do you really think trailer sailing is a dubious practice?