Anderson 22 Updated?

[Alltnaha]

As an A22 owner I agree the well works well and she is easy to manoevre BUT in high seas my experience is putting the engine in the well - and it was a little Yamaha Malta which is relatively light - is difficult and possibly dangerous - so yes TSB240 I would agree your pinkies are at risk.

I would like to hear from any A22 owners who do use a slide mount especially as I have one at home doing nothing which , if anyone could give informed advice , I would be tempted to fit. I would like to have the fairing plug in permanently.

John

 

[Seajet]

TSB240,

you clearly have a unique idea of safety; no problem with engine in and out of the well, I suppose an utter idiot if really trying might guillotine something off with an engine on a slide mount.

This is silly, read the reasons for having a well; if you have a snag I'm sorry and I could make a few genuine suggestions but if you're suggesting a transom mount now way on earth, I've offered a go in my A22 with well, seems you have one too but have snags ?

 

[Seajet]

As an A22 owner I agree the well works well and she is easy to manoevre BUT in high seas my experience is putting the engine in the well - and it was a little Yamaha Malta which is relatively light - is difficult and possibly dangerous - so yes TSB240 I would agree your pinkies are at risk.

I would like to hear from any A22 owners who do use a slide mount especially as I have one at home doing nothing which , if anyone could give informed advice , I would be tempted to fit. I would like to have the fairing plug in permanently.

John

John,

I notice you are not a member of the association so have not chatted with other owners let alone me; if you put the engine on the transom you're in for a world of grief and if you persist please sell your boat to someone who understands the design concept.

No pinkies in danger ever, but whole crewperson / yourself in danger leaning over the transom; why is it that 'common' sense is such a rare element |?!

 

[aquaplane]

John,

I notice you are not a member of the association so have not chatted with other owners let alone me; if you put the engine on the transom you're in for a world of grief and if you persist please sell your boat to someone who understands the design concept.

That post takes your pomposity to a whole new level and it was bad before.

My 6Hp OB sits on a sliding transom mount and it works for me.
Lifting the motor off isn't easy and I wouldn't even take it out of the water if it was in a well.
I'm willing to live with the compromise of hanging the OB off the back as I can get the prop out of the water when sailing.
With two in the cockpit the fore/aft trim is right.

 

[Slipstream 34]

In a nutshell !

John,

I notice you are not a member of the association so have not chatted with other owners let alone me; if you put the engine on the transom you're in for a world of grief and if you persist please sell your boat to someone who understands the design concept.

No pinkies in danger ever, but whole crewperson / yourself in danger leaning over the transom; why is it that 'common' sense is such a rare element |?!

The fundamental cause of trouble in the world is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”*

 

[prv]

I notice you are not a member of the association so have not chatted with other owners

Ah - because other owners would refuse to speak to mere civilian non-members? Or perhaps you monitor their Anderson-related communications and know that no such chats have taken place?

let alone me

"Let alone" because an audience with His Maritime Bejettedness is clearly of more benefit than a chat with anyone else.



Pete

 

[Alltnaha]

Andy,

I am a member and I have chatted to you re A22s . Maybe I should have explained a bit more ; we were in a F6 gusting 7 , large unpredictable seas and we needed to get the engine in so as to enter harbour. We were wet and very tired having spent 10 hours at sea . It was a bit like being on a bucking bronco . The transfer of the engine into the well was talked through in advance in view of the conditions and whilst it went OK it could have gone wrong and yes fingers could have been trapped.
I do think I understand the design concept but I think it is common sense - which sadly you just condemn me to having none of - to always consider how things can be improved. That is why I asked if any A22 owners had tried a slide mount as I have an open mind as to the pros and cons.

John

 

[Slipstream 34]

Andy,

I am a member and I have chatted to you re A22s .

John

Top tip Wetjet.... Know your men!

 

[Seajet]

That post takes your pomposity to a whole new level and it was bad before.

My 6Hp OB sits on a sliding transom mount and it works for me.
Lifting the motor off isn't easy and I wouldn't even take it out of the water if it was in a well.
I'm willing to live with the compromise of hanging the OB off the back as I can get the prop out of the water when sailing.
With two in the cockpit the fore/aft trim is right.

Take it as pomposity if you like, obviously I didn't mean to sound that way and I'm sorry; if you ever learn the advantages of an A22 well or get through a dodgy lumpy harbour entrance or motor across Channel in a calm then have to motor through overfalls, please report back.

 

[Seajet]

Andy,

I am a member and I have chatted to you re A22s . Maybe I should have explained a bit more ; we were in a F6 gusting 7 , large unpredictable seas and we needed to get the engine in so as to enter harbour. We were wet and very tired having spent 10 hours at sea . It was a bit like being on a bucking bronco . The transfer of the engine into the well was talked through in advance in view of the conditions and whilst it went OK it could have gone wrong and yes fingers could have been trapped.
I do think I understand the design concept but I think it is common sense - which sadly you just condemn me to having none of - to always consider how things can be improved. That is why I asked if any A22 owners had tried a slide mount as I have an open mind as to the pros and cons.

John

Alltnaha,

I and the Anderson 22 cannot be an excuse for the learning process of seamanship; you didn't get the engine in on time or didn't make it easy for the person doing it.

As the engine clamps are a long way below the hand-holds on any normal engine I still don't see a problem let alone fingers lost ???

The same applies for someone sheeting in or changing a headsail, spinnaker or using an anchor; someone somewhere on the boat needs to know at least a bit of what they're doing.

Please believe me I'm not being rude, a thing I stumbled on by accident is that the best time to go on sailing courses is in the winter, you get the best instructors and fellow students are serious, not just out for a sun-tan !

An idea ?

It was heaps of fun when I did it in a December, temperature was never an issue.

Andy

 

[prv]

someone somewhere on the boat needs to know at least a bit of what they're doing.
[...]
sailing courses [...] An idea ?

Oooh!

Pete

 

[Seajet]

Chums all,

pro or anti,

I offer any doubters to put the A22 to the test, in any wind F3 or plus; she is not a mind blowing racing machine, just a fast seaworthy boat able to look after her crew in almost any weather and get them reasonably quickly into port...

She'll live on a drying mud mooring until called for.

If you have joined the association you have a 12 page 'top tips' from joint experience with various owners.

My proper PC has been delayed a day ( at least ) but after that I can offer photo's and sail reviews to those genuinely interested.

No 'sales' involved here, just a pointer; BTW the A22 is 'trailable' but not a trailer sailer !

 

[Lakesailor]

I sometimes wonder what would happen if you were to go for a sail on a boat that was, in your own opinion, better than an Anderson 22.
Would it create a difficult and angst-ridden episode?
Could you deal with it?

 

[Seajet]

I sometimes wonder what would happen if you were to go for a sail on a boat that was, in your own opinion, better than an Anderson 22.
Would it create a difficult and angst-ridden episode?
Could you deal with it?

Well Lakey I'm sorry for your angst, it doesnt worry me !

There are various boats which are better at certain things, but I haven't come across any yet which feature such a decent package.

There was a French job on the forums recently with a rather nifty lift keel which lowered onto studs ( my main pc is off for repair so can't recall it ) - seems nice engineering but very much on - off, no crawling up to the mooring at half tide with half keel, half rudder and see what happens which is a major asset on mud!

The E-Boat is better to windward in light to medium conditions, after that - have you seen their very honest website let alone tried to convince a first or any other date the interior is OK ?!

 

[prv]

I sometimes wonder what would happen if you were to go for a sail on a boat that was, in your own opinion, better than an Anderson 22.
Would it create a difficult and angst-ridden episode?
Could you deal with it?

We have someone at work who has similar fixed ideas which he extols via a forum, albeit his are a great deal less rational. When (invariably) something arises to contradict those beliefs, he posts "Sorry, must exit due to processing error" and goes quiet on the forum for a bit.

(Sadly he doesn't go quiet in person, and in extreme cases will stride around the canteen loudly telling anyone foolish enough to get close about the latest blow to his world-view)

Pete

 

[Seajet]

We have someone at work who has similar fixed ideas which he extols via a forum, albeit his are a great deal less rational. When (invariably) something arises to contradict those beliefs, he posts "Sorry, must exit due to processing error" and goes quiet on the forum for a bit.

(Sadly he doesn't go quiet in person, and in extreme cases will stride around the canteen loudly telling anyone foolish enough to get close about the latest blow to his world-view)

Pete

Pete,

just in case, I refer to post 54 !

Andy

 

[TSB240]

TSB240,

This is silly, read the reasons for having a well;

Why I am all too aware . The A22 is not unique!

Please review my first post No 18 which you obviously completely failed to read and digest.

Seems you have one too but have snags ?

Took you some time to realise that.

Any answers to my 3 ? in my last post or is the only answer for me to attend a training course on how to safely mount an ob in a hole?

 

[Seajet]

Took you some time to realise that.

Any answers to my 3 ? in my last post or is the only answer for me to attend a training course on how to safely mount an ob in a hole?

TSB240

I would have thought putting an engine in and out of a well easy without snagging fingers, but I'm beginning to get to the state nothing is going to be surprising and I'm losing the will to live...

For owners, better start looking for someone else.

Andy

 

[TSB240]

As an A22 owner I agree the well works well and she is easy to manoevre BUT in high seas my experience is putting the engine in the well - and it was a little Yamaha Malta which is relatively light - is difficult and possibly dangerous - so yes TSB240 I would agree your pinkies are at risk.

I would like to hear from any A22 owners who do use a slide mount especially as I have one at home doing nothing which , if anyone could give informed advice , I would be tempted to fit. I would like to have the fairing plug in permanently.

John

John thanks for your honest posts and open mindedness.

I had a similar experience to yours but my problem was the Ob was in the well.

I was entering Castletown harbour on the IOM earlier this year.

We had a building wind and had just put our second reef in . The boat was surfing on a broad reach at 8 knots with double figures showing on the big standing waves of the off lying overfalls.

Trouble was the back wash from the leg and the rotating 4 blade high thrust prop(engine out of gear) was filling the cockpit.

My solution was to start the engine and engage gear.

It still upsets me that I had to use fuel to drain the cockpit but it was threatening to get to the top of my wellies.

I was also carrying 50 litres of fuel and 40 litres of water in the aft cockpit lockers.

Lovely flat wake no transom drag so reckon 27 kilos of ob on the back end would have been a better option

Oh there is a thought you could always trial hanging a jerry can full of water off the back to see how your A22 performs.

You might risk being excomunicated.....

 

[Seajet]

TSB240,

your boats' design snags are up to you to sort out; don't try to translate them to a boat which would have been fine, just because you made the wrong initial choice !