Anderson 22 Updated?

[Seajet]

Not as quickly as I can press my start button

Pete

You'd be surprised; I had a boat with a Volvo saildrive and by the time I'd found the key, straightened it after someone stepping on it, churned the engine over and got it going then in gear, yes I could have my Mariner 5 going in the A22 well quite happily - the stowage locker is forward of and the same side as the well ( port ) and goes in happily as the fairing plug is whipped out though of course such panic reaction is only necessary when I screw up.

 

[prv]

You'd be surprised; I had a boat with a Volvo saildrive and by the time I'd found the key, straightened it after someone stepping on it, churned the engine over and got it going then in gear

That's that engine, not mine.

No key, no glow plugs, starts before the first complete turn, can be put in gear to cruise revs immediately if required (though probably not ideal from a caring-for-the-engine point of view).

There's an on-off switch and a start button located next to each other immediately inside the companionway. It takes a couple of seconds to reach in, flick one and press the other. I know, I've done it a couple of times after misjudging the tide strength and wind shadows while sailing out of the river and suddenly realising I was about to lay alongside a moored barge or fishing boat! Not the finest example of seamanship, but that's how we learn.

Pete

 

[Seajet]

In those conditions with the A22 I'd probably leave the engine in, until clear; if it's going to lose enough sailing speed to make things dodgy, the engine goes into 'on' mode.

Incidentally whenever possible I disconnect the fuel and let the engine run dry and stop, so there isn't fuel to leak when stowed; never actually had that problem just seems an idea, doesn't affect starting at all.

I've had the odd line, carrier bag and fishing net around the prop, simple to just raise the engine and apply the old breadknife kept handy; when I think of places like Portland Inshore Passage with all the kindly laid lobster pots and going round in the Carter with saildrive and no cutter, it gives me the willies now !

 

[PeteCooper]

The side decks still look awfully narrow.

 

[fireball]

Yes, that's an Anderson 22.

I hope they lifted the rudder before driving off !

Er - I hope they removed the sails and dropped the mast and tied her down too ... but it doesn't look like it's sat there waiting to be trailed away ...

 

[Seajet]

Fireball, you could have a point, I was trying to say that the rudder raises, straight up a full transom height pintle.

PeteCooper,

yes, they're not really side decks, more chainplate and genoa track positions.

Normally one goes straight over the cabin top which is not anywhere near as hard as it looks; I'm no ballerina and my 88 year old Dad does it happily, I can't remember the crew having a problem.

I use separate hanked headsails too and enjoy going forward.

The idea of the wide coachroof isn't just room inside, it also gives buoyancy if the boat should be knocked down, though I've been in severe weather and that still didn't look likely, never heard of it among the 3 transatlantic boats.

You're very welcome for a spin next season, I understand we're launching quite early in 2013 which will be my boats' 36th year since launching, I have had her for all of those except 3 when I mistakenly sold her, had a Carter 30, ditched that and bought her back; in the meantime she was left ashore so had a nice rest and dry, perfect for applying Gelshield.

As I say Pete, you and anyone else are welcome for a sail from Chichester harbour next season; and she's not for sale at any price !

Edit to add; in early days, when going forward in lumpy seas we used to sit with bum on coachroof, feet on windward 'sidedeck' so that we were held securely by the guardrails and shuffle to and fro; nowadays we just go straight over the top.

One thing I found by accident which may be useful to others; I placed harness eyes beside the mast foot - it's possible to leave a standard harness line clipped to these and it reaches the cockpit, allowing one to clip on before going on deck.
It also allows one to reach the stemhead and headsail tack.

 

[TSB240]

You'd be surprised; I had a boat with a Volvo saildrive and by the time I'd found the key, straightened it after someone stepping on it, churned the engine over and got it going then in gear, yes I could have my Mariner 5 going in the A22 well quite happily - the stowage locker is forward of and the same side as the well ( port ) and goes in happily as the fairing plug is whipped out though of course such panic reaction is only necessary when I screw up.

Oh dear...

Andy

You live in Anderson world where everything must happen at the speed of light.

I think most can see that tightening the ob clamps willl take a bit longer than pressing a start button and engaging gear on a reliable engine.

You have to bring in to the comparison a duff old engine that wont start easily Why?

Steve

 

[Seajet]

Oh dear...

Andy

You live in Anderson world where everything must happen at the speed of light.

I think most can see that tightening the ob clamps willl take a bit longer than pressing a start button and engaging gear on a reliable engine.

You have to bring in to the comparison a duff old engine that wont start easily Why?

Steve

Steve,

no I speak from decades of experience with this type;the Volvo saidrive was not a 'duff old engine' and started as well as any of its' type; I would post a pic of my Carter 30 showing she was not exactly a scruffy old tub, but the pc with my photo's is in for repair.

Maybe it's time you accepted I may know more about this class than you do, and as I have offered for people to come along I feel I have put my money where my mouth is; as for a transom mounted engine aiding cavitation - reduction I presume you mean - I take it that's a feature of TS240 world ?!

 

[PeteCooper]

As I say Pete, you and anyone else are welcome for a sail from Chichester harbour next season; and she's not for sale at any price !

Thank you for the offer, but it is one I am unlikely to take up - the A22 is not for me, and Chichester is a long way from here. I have a range of boats up here including my own that I have use of. I know what my next boat will be once I have sold the one I have now.

I am puzzled though. You say that she's not for sale at any price, yet so many of your postings read like a sales brochure?

 

[Seajet]

Thank you for the offer, but it is one I am unlikely to take up - the A22 is not for me, and Chichester is a long way from here. I have a range of boats up here including my own that I have use of. I know what my next boat will be once I have sold the one I have now.

I am puzzled though. You say that she's not for sale at any price, yet so many of your postings read like a sales brochure?

One can point out attributes, usually in answer to queries or unfounded criticism, without selling anything; I would suggest that gives a little more credence to what I have to say, and at least I know the subject I'm commenting on.

 

[PeteCooper]

All I can think then is that you are trying to test the market before building new A22s - or at least trying to convince yourself that there is a market for them.
Or perhaps you are trying to convince yourself how good the A22 is?

 

[prv]

All I can think then is that you are trying to test the market before building new A22s - or at least trying to convince yourself that there is a market for them.
Or perhaps you are trying to convince yourself how good the A22 is?

I think he's trying to persuade other people to buy them so that he can then inveigle them into the club he runs.

Pete

 

[Seajet]

All I can think then is that you are trying to test the market before building new A22s - or at least trying to convince yourself that there is a market for them.
Or perhaps you are trying to convince yourself how good the A22 is?

Well you think wrong on every count then.

Please note I did not start this thread; if I think the example shown doesn't do the class any favours and people are commenting on it, I'll reply.

As you say you already know an A22 isn't for you, why read it and why feel the need to comment ?

I am not blind about the Anderson 22, I know all the bad points too, but there aren't many compared to anything vaguely similar and it seems you would focus on them.

It saddens me you take a positive approach as someone trying to sell something, I run the owners association at a loss but there are a lot of happy A22 owners out there and that gives me a vicarious happiness, sorry !

BTW The project to build new Anderson 22's was shelved years ago but hovers in the background should we get a boom instead of recession, no more than that.

 

[Seajet]

I think he's trying to persuade other people to buy them so that he can then inveigle them into the club he runs.

Pete

And what does that do for me then ?

I don't run any club, I do run an owners association for the benefit of owners, and at a loss too so there's no motive there.

There are 6 A22's at my sailing club already, the largest class; all I get out of that is smiling at the Westerly and Moody owners we've overtaken - I did fondly imagine there was scope for a good group boat picture, but tieing in everyones' schedules and lifestyles is like herding cats so I soon forgot that one.

 

[Marakei]

Seajet posted on here about building new Andersons about two years ago and got told it was an awful idea, and no-one's said anything much more positive since, so if he is trying to persuade us to buy them it ain't working.

Rather than some kind of a dark lord trying to take over the world of boats by brainwashing us into wanting his sort of boat and joining his club, all I see is a very enthusiastic owner, who thinks his boat is great and wants to tell everyone just why she is.

Nothing wrong with that.

 

[bitbaltic]

The idea of the wide coachroof isn't just room inside, it also gives buoyancy if the boat should be knocked down.

Sounds dangerously like form stability to me, and the market for new AWBs is very crowded.

Seriously though I think you're game to keep a sense of humor amidst the ribbing and I admire that. I'd like to see you building new ones. Junk rigs and bilge keels would be essential upgrades.

And I would like to see them marketed as the 'Anderson seajet'.

 

[Seajet]

Sounds dangerously like form stability to me, and the market for new AWBs is very crowded.

Seriously though I think you're game to keep a sense of humor amidst the ribbing and I admire that. I'd like to see you building new ones. Junk rigs and bilge keels would be essential upgrades.

And I would like to see them marketed as the 'Anderson seajet'.

bitbaltic,

dont tell anyone I said so, but it IS form stability !

The good news is that she also has 42-44% ballast, 4'6" down; and yes the keel can be locked down if one feels like doing a 360.

Thanks for your kind words,

Merry girl you to, Ta !

 

[TSB240]

Steve,

no I speak from decades of experience with this type;the Volvo saidrive was not a 'duff old engine' and started as well as any of its' type; I would post a pic of my Carter 30 showing she was not exactly a scruffy old tub, but the pc with my photo's is in for repair.

Maybe it's time you accepted I may know more about this class than you do, and as I have offered for people to come along I feel I have put my money where my mouth is; as for a transom mounted engine aiding cavitation - reduction I presume you mean - I take it that's a feature of TS240 world ?!

Andy you are the God of Anderson 22 Nobody can deny that! I bow to your efforts in promoting ownership of such a fine craft.

In comparison I am a mere mortal with another 80s dinosaur with a hole in the cockpit!

The difference betwen you and I is that I am not concerned about losing a knot for an hour or two rather than losing a couple of fingers for a lifetime.

It still seems logical to me that the photographed updated 22 with a slide mount could offer an alternative way of drag reduction and lifting and lowering 27 kilos whilst trying to sail.

Have you had direct experience of using a fully adjustable slide mount?

Is it really too much compromise in order to protect my pinkies?

Are you absolutely convinced I would just end up with an egg whisk on the stern?

 

[Seajet]

Andy you are the God of Anderson 22 Nobody can deny that! I bow to your efforts in promoting ownership of such a fine craft.

In comparison I am a mere mortal with another 80s dinosaur with a hole in the cockpit!

The difference betwen you and I is that I am not concerned about losing a knot for an hour or two rather than losing a couple of fingers for a lifetime.

It still seems logical to me that the photographed updated 22 with a slide mount could offer an alternative way of drag reduction and lifting and lowering 27 kilos whilst trying to sail.

Have you had direct experience of using a fully adjustable slide mount?

Is it really too much compromise in order to protect my pinkies?

Are you absolutely convinced I would just end up with an egg whisk on the stern?

TSB240,

I genuinely don't understand, what's this about 'losing pinkies' ?

Sailing an Anderson with neither engine nor fairing plug in the well gives a lot of sloshing turbulence and a surprising amount of noise; it also knocks a good knot off sailing speed, in fact she's better off with an engine in than an empty well.

As mentioned there are many advantages to a properly designed & situated well, for a start this is the only boat I've known which really can turn in something very like her own length, courtesy of the propwash over the rudder.

I still don't get the 'losing fingers' bit ?

 

[TSB240]

TSB240,

I genuinely don't understand, what's this about 'losing pinkies' ?

just in case you dont understand

pink·ie 1 also pink·y (pngk)
n. pl. pink·ies Informal
The little finger.
[Probably from Dutch pinkje, diminutive of pink, little finger.]


I still don't get the 'losing fingers' bit ?

Andy suggest you read this bit of my post carefully again!

It still seems logical to me that the photographed updated 22 with a slide mount could offer an alternative way of drag reduction and ( safe ) lifting and lowering 27 kilos whilst trying to sail.

My definition of safe is without losing fingers or worse damaging boat whilst transferrring ob to and from storage into well

Without losing fingers as potential for trapping whilst transfering to and from well to storage
Your post

Sailing an Anderson with neither engine nor fairing plug in the well gives a lot of sloshing turbulence and a surprising amount of noise; it also knocks a good knot off sailing speed, in fact she's better off with an engine in than an empty well

= more irrelevent rubbish

As mentioned there are many advantages to a properly designed & situated well, for a start this is the only boat I've known which really can turn in something very like her own length, courtesy of the propwash over the rudder.

+ more irrelevent rubbish

Any answers to my post clue is in the ?

Have you had direct experience of using a fully adjustable slide mount?

Is it really too much compromise in order to protect my pinkies?

Are you absolutely convinced I would just end up with an egg whisk on the stern?