And what about the Lobster pot buoys?

[PilotWolf]

As I said, I was too busy avoiding them to investigate what they were marking. However I am at a loss to understand why why individual pots, or even groups of them, require 100m of buoyed line on the surface.

I was simply pointing out what they were and answering your query as to why the SFDC weren't interested...

I have been through there several times - day and night with a 17M power boat and either managed to avoid them or the rope cutters worked! Comes back to MK1 eyeball and a boat which obviously manouveres easier than a yacht.

W.

 

[Ludd]

Care to elaborate?

Haydude being of a Teutonic persuasion I thought perhaps he believes all minorities---I suspect you may have misuderstood. Read my bio to see which side of this particular fence I am likely to be on!

 

[fisherman]

Haydude being of a Teutonic persuasion I thought perhaps he believes all minorities---I suspect you may have misuderstood. Read my bio to see which side of this particular fence I am likely to be on!

Teutonic?

You mean he doesn't drink?

At all??

 

[Ludd]

Teutonic?

You mean he doesn't drink?

At all??

Das ist nicht moglich(can't do an umlaut)!

 

[Ubergeekian]

Das ist nicht moglich(can't do an umlaut)!

If you are using Linux, it's AltGr+[, then the character. Jüst sö.

 

[Ludd]

If you are using Linux, it's AltGr+[, then the character. Jüst sö.

viele danke

 

[Bishop Terrorchoke]

I have read some appalling comments here guaranteed to alienate fishermen. They see us as strange creatures who go to sea when we don't actually need to, and most will not accept that we have any right to interfere with their daily business. I have to say I can see their point, and I think that discussions like this that demonise fishermen are very counterproductive. Pots are a just part of sailing life, always have been and always will be. If you can't cope with the common custom and practice of the sea then perhaps you shouldn't be there.


BishopT

 

[Fascadale]

I have read some appalling comments here guaranteed to alienate fishermen. They see us as strange creatures who go to sea when we don't actually need to, and most will not accept that we have any right to interfere with their daily business. I have to say I can see their point, and I think that discussions like this that demonise fishermen are very counterproductive. Pots are a just part of sailing life, always have been and always will be. If you can't cope with the common custom and practice of the sea then perhaps you shouldn't be there.


BishopT

Well said

Some of the comments about mob behaviour have made me wonder what country some of these people sail in.

 

[Boreades]

I have read some appalling comments here guaranteed to alienate fishermen. They see us as strange creatures who go to sea when we don't actually need to, and most will not accept that we have any right to interfere with their daily business. I have to say I can see their point, and I think that discussions like this that demonise fishermen are very counterproductive. Pots are a just part of sailing life, always have been and always will be. If you can't cope with the common custom and practice of the sea then perhaps you shouldn't be there.
BishopT

Well said!

I have a yacht. I also have lobster pots, to catch seafood my family eats.
Should I declare a conflict of interest?

 

[Twister_Ken]

Source: RNLI Annual Operational Statistics Report 2008

Causes of lifeboat services

FOULED PROPELLER OR IMPELLER 307 incidents, 3.70% of call outs.

 

[Bosun Higgs]

They see us as strange creatures who go to sea when we don't actually need to, and most will not accept that we have any right to interfere with their daily business. I have to say I can see their point,

Presumably when driving your car, you take the same approach to truck drivers and white van man. You defer to them. And of course you dont mind if they drop rubbish off in the fast lane of the motorway just like fishermen throw unwanted rope and bits of net over the side.

personally, I think we should be considerate of each other. Fishermen should take their rubbish ashore and put clearly marked pots where they are safe for everyone else. I'm not aware of any way in which we cause them problems but if there is, then we shouldn't.

 

[PilotWolf]

Fishermen should take their rubbish ashore and put clearly marked pots where they are safe for everyone else.

Clearly marked yes - but again why should they move them for you? And how are you going to get the lobsters/crabs/fish to move into the 'safe' areas so they can be caught?

Also define safe - some posters are moaning about them inshore, some about them offshore...

PW

 

[KINGFISHER 9]

Wouldn't do any harm if they were dayglo pink/lime/orange.

 

[fisherman]

Idiots might, fishermen don't, who is most likely to run into it? You may be referring to bits of gear lost by accident, usually at great expense.

 

[Bishop Terrorchoke]

Fishermen should . . . put clearly marked pots where they are safe for everyone else. I'm not aware of any way in which we cause them problems but if there is, then we shouldn't.

We cause them problems by fouling their gear with our rudders and propellors for a start - damaged gear costs them money.

Your contention that they should move their gear from traditional spots whose use in many cases predates the advent of recreational sailing is not just unreasonable, it is confrontational. I do not think your attitude is helpful.

BishopT

 

[Robin]

We cause them problems by fouling their gear with our rudders and propellors for a start - damaged gear costs them money.

Your contention that they should move their gear from traditional spots whose use in many cases predates the advent of recreational sailing is not just unreasonable, it is confrontational. I do not think your attitude is helpful.

BishopT

There is a big difference between 'traditional spots' and laying gear marked by black plastic cans on floating line directly in channel approaches, for example just inside the entrance to North Channel, western approaches to the Solent. That is not so much fishing as laying a trap for boats. This BTW is a marked channel for all boats, not just a recreational area. How about if a local large tripper boat loaded with passengers became a victim? The channel parallels the beach which is normally a lee shore and that shore is very close and often very rough.

I referred in an earlier post about the deep water pots with 10m of floating pickup line & buoy. These are laid by Pro boats and there is a case here I believe for some sensible education!

As for being inconvenient to the fishing fraternity, I wonder how it felt when one local skipper some years back lost his life trying to free a pot line round the prop and rudder of his boat. He went in the water to try and cut it free and the boat crashed down on his head. Local Coroner called for action, no notice taken.

I have deep respect generally for fishermen and a great love for their catch. I don't believe the black can merchants locally are true fishermen, just a new breed of maybe opportunists or part timers that don't give a hoot for very much except money.

 

[haydude]

I have read some appalling comments here guaranteed to alienate fishermen.

For what I am concerned, fishermen of the type who leave behind their gear in navigable areas can alienate themselves to the moon and stay there!

Through this discussion, and after thoughtful analysis we realized that fishermen are a category who only take from a system without returning any value back to the system they extract resources from, and therefore on a biological basis they can be classified as parasites.

Despite the above I have plenty of respect for fishermen who respect both the environment and everyone else who access a resource, the sea, that belongs to everyone.

Those who leave behind fishing gear that can endanger someone else, neither have respect for the environment, nor for everyone else who wants to access the sea, and therefore they do not deserve my respect.

 

[Fascadale]

Through this discussion, and after thoughtful analysis we realized that fishermen are a category who only take from a system without returning any value back to the system they extract resources from, and therefore on a biological basis they can be classified as parasites.

Might I draw your attention to another recent post on this board "Lifeboat Disaster"

Mr Haydude may wish to reflect on the fact that the backbone of RNLI boat crews has been, until very lately, often largely made up of fishermen.

Parasites indeed. Perhaps Mr Haydude would care to explain this to the widows of Broughty Ferry, Penlee and many others

I think it would be appropriate for Mr Haydude to apologise for that senseless comment.

I also find Mr Dude's introduction of "biology" into discussions of human classification rather distasteful.

 

[westernman]

How many of you have actually had a rope from a lobster pot buoy tangled round your prop, rudder or any other dangly bits?

I have hit a few, but never had a problem (touch wood).

 

[Ludd]

Might I draw your attention to another recent post on this board "Lifeboat Disaster"

Mr Haydude may wish to reflect on the fact that the backbone of RNLI boat crews has been, until very lately, often largely made up of fishermen.

Parasites indeed. Perhaps Mr Haydude would care to explain this to the widows of Broughty Ferry, Penlee and many others

I think it would be appropriate for Mr Haydude to apologise for that senseless comment.

I also find Mr Dude's introduction of "biology" into discussions of human classification rather distasteful.

Fraserburgh Coxswain James Ritchie,a cousin,found lashed to the wheel)
Longhope
Arbroath
Broughty Ferry
Penlee


AND that is only within MY living memory