Koeketiene
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Or is it just us?
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Yep - 'Rip-off Britain' is not just an empty phrase.
Or is it just us?
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Yep - 'Rip-off Britain' is not just an empty phrase.
Anchoring charges
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photodog
Lord High Commander of Upper Broughton and Gunthor
Dont get me started on Salcombe....
Cruise last July...
We mosey on up to the bag, hopeing to pick up a buoy, but no luck, and so we decide to drop the hook up well past the moorings, near what I think is called the mew stone (?).
Of course its way to far for the water taxi, but not too far for the HM to come for his dosh, and are charged 20 QUID to drop the hook! I spend the night paranoid we are going to be run down by some 14 year old driving his daddies rib at 30 knots up the estuary. (There is no policing of either the speed limits, or the age limits either.)
Dont get run down in the nite, but next am, getting ready to set off, A ICC wayfairer wraps itself around my Pulpit. Despite anchor ball, etc..
£300 quids damage later... (Which BTW the ICC did pay for.)
During the previous week spent a nite at Darthaven marina on their visitors birth, charge for the nite including water, showers, power, etc? £20, same as for dropping the hook at Salcombe.
Nuff said.
Cruise last July...
We mosey on up to the bag, hopeing to pick up a buoy, but no luck, and so we decide to drop the hook up well past the moorings, near what I think is called the mew stone (?).
Of course its way to far for the water taxi, but not too far for the HM to come for his dosh, and are charged 20 QUID to drop the hook! I spend the night paranoid we are going to be run down by some 14 year old driving his daddies rib at 30 knots up the estuary. (There is no policing of either the speed limits, or the age limits either.)
Dont get run down in the nite, but next am, getting ready to set off, A ICC wayfairer wraps itself around my Pulpit. Despite anchor ball, etc..
£300 quids damage later... (Which BTW the ICC did pay for.)
During the previous week spent a nite at Darthaven marina on their visitors birth, charge for the nite including water, showers, power, etc? £20, same as for dropping the hook at Salcombe.
Nuff said.
hlb
RIP
Whist I agree, Salcolmbe is outragous in it's charging. and some places seem to charge just for the sake of it.
I cant help feeling, some folk seem to want the protection of a harbour, with all it's safety facilities, lights, buoys etc. Without charge. There are loads of bays round the coast, with none of these expences. It just looks like some folk want all the protection, but none of the costs.
I cant help feeling, some folk seem to want the protection of a harbour, with all it's safety facilities, lights, buoys etc. Without charge. There are loads of bays round the coast, with none of these expences. It just looks like some folk want all the protection, but none of the costs.
david_bagshaw
Well-known member
anchor in Helgoland, same fee as using the pontoon.
Larger boats are expected to anchor to free up the quay.
Many years ago (late 80's) somebody tried to charge us for anchouring at Dinant in belgium, without luck though.
Larger boats are expected to anchor to free up the quay.
Many years ago (late 80's) somebody tried to charge us for anchouring at Dinant in belgium, without luck though.
billcowan
Member
The entire Firth of Forth, 40 miles long and up to 20 miles wide, is under control of Forth Ports Authority and they certainly charge merchant ships for anchoring.
There are usually several very big tankers waiting to load.
Some thrifty Russians often anchor outside in the lea of May Isle to avoid paying.
There are usually several very big tankers waiting to load.
Some thrifty Russians often anchor outside in the lea of May Isle to avoid paying.
photodog
Lord High Commander of Upper Broughton and Gunthor
I do agree, all of the facilities that you describe, plus things like the water taxi, the nice little brochure you get, the pontoon with the bin, the landing stage, etc, need paying for, and a harbour fee is probably the only equitable way to go.
The particular problem at Salcombe is that the fee has gone up considerably in the past few years, and the fee as it stands now is twice as much as adjacent harbours.
I dont mind paying a fee for facilites, but I do feel that Salcombe see's us as a sort of floating cash machine, and no longer represent value for money!
Malpas, Dartmouth, Newton, they all charge around a tenner for us, and I dont have a problem with that!
Paid a tenner at Newtown creek, and got excellent value watching all the charterers running aground in the entrance!!
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The particular problem at Salcombe is that the fee has gone up considerably in the past few years, and the fee as it stands now is twice as much as adjacent harbours.
I dont mind paying a fee for facilites, but I do feel that Salcombe see's us as a sort of floating cash machine, and no longer represent value for money!
Malpas, Dartmouth, Newton, they all charge around a tenner for us, and I dont have a problem with that!
Paid a tenner at Newtown creek, and got excellent value watching all the charterers running aground in the entrance!!
Ta
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doug748
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I think you were seen off. According to their web site you should have been charged 90p per metre to anchor. (The spot you were unsure of was the Salt Stone, I think)
photodog
Lord High Commander of Upper Broughton and Gunthor
Your right, the kid hosed me!!!
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And it is the salt stone!!
Ta
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And it is the salt stone!!
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Rabbie
New member
Quite correct, thats what I thought. If I remember correctly, Chichester Harbour employs this allowance in its anchoring fees listing.
Moonshining
Active member
As a matter of interest, if you're anchored in Chichester Harbour and just tell them to p*** off if they ask for money, what happens?
(NB. This is a hypothetical question. I'm not thinking of doing it myself, I've got me little 2007 sticker on the side of Moonshine)
(NB. This is a hypothetical question. I'm not thinking of doing it myself, I've got me little 2007 sticker on the side of Moonshine)
Searush
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As a matter of interest, if you're anchored in Chichester Harbour and just tell them to p*** off if they ask for money, what happens?
(NB. This is a hypothetical question. I'm not thinking of doing it myself, I've got me little 2007 sticker on the side of Moonshine)
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They lift & foul your anchor halfway up the chain in the dead of night about 3 hours before HW.
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As a matter of interest, if you're anchored in Chichester Harbour and just tell them to p*** off if they ask for money, what happens?
(NB. This is a hypothetical question. I'm not thinking of doing it myself, I've got me little 2007 sticker on the side of Moonshine)
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They lift & foul your anchor halfway up the chain in the dead of night about 3 hours before HW.
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Rabbie
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I have asked this question many times here. What can they do - seize your boat/arrest you/call a copper etc?. I think not. My big moment came one evening at Keyhaven when I told the man with the bag to 'go away' as the 'anchorage' wasn't fit for anchoring. He actually did.
In any event, I too have a wee Chichester plaque.
In any event, I too have a wee Chichester plaque.
Lizzie_B
New member
In the States there has been an increasingly heated dispute going on with some of the larger 'vacation' cities where waterfront 'condominium' developments are actually trying to stop boats anchoring all together 'cos they spoil the view!!!
http://www.boatus.com/gov/florida_0307.htm
http://www.marconews.com/news/2007/apr/26/motion_filed_declare_waterways_ordinance_unconstit/
I think one of the differences in the US is the clout of the much bigger (than the RYA) BoatUS who are prepared to take people on in the courts. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Marco Island is a significant 'jumping off' point for boats wishing to cross the Bay of Florida and out through the Keys either via Marathon or Key West and so round to the Atlantic and Caribean. It is important to be able to wait out the weather there.
http://www.boatus.com/gov/florida_0307.htm
http://www.marconews.com/news/2007/apr/26/motion_filed_declare_waterways_ordinance_unconstit/
I think one of the differences in the US is the clout of the much bigger (than the RYA) BoatUS who are prepared to take people on in the courts. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Marco Island is a significant 'jumping off' point for boats wishing to cross the Bay of Florida and out through the Keys either via Marathon or Key West and so round to the Atlantic and Caribean. It is important to be able to wait out the weather there.
achwilan
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Oooooh... So that's the reason why Napoleon didn't cross the Channel: he just couldn't afford anchoring there !... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Birdseye
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I think one of the differences in the US is the clout of the much bigger (than the RYA) BoatUS who are prepared to take people on in the courts. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
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I think thats a bit unfair. To my knowledge the RYA have supported many legal actions with damages in some cases into the millions. I suspect the problem with the anchoring charges issue is that the case against is legally fairly weak and losing it coulld cause more problems by cristallising the right to charge. Thats my understanding but it would be nice to hear from the RYA exactly what they think. Any RYA person here?
Harbour dues are a different issue. Most harbour have bye laws which are entirely legal and which enable them to charge dues. They also have pressure from the Treasury and Gordon B to maximise their revenue so there is no local subsidy. Hence jampots like Salcombe "go for it". And there is no evidence to suggest the prices are putting people off visiting, so how can you justify reducing charges?
In contrast, the harbour authorities round here mainly make no harbour due charges because collecting them would cost more than the revenue gained.
I think one of the differences in the US is the clout of the much bigger (than the RYA) BoatUS who are prepared to take people on in the courts. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
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I think thats a bit unfair. To my knowledge the RYA have supported many legal actions with damages in some cases into the millions. I suspect the problem with the anchoring charges issue is that the case against is legally fairly weak and losing it coulld cause more problems by cristallising the right to charge. Thats my understanding but it would be nice to hear from the RYA exactly what they think. Any RYA person here?
Harbour dues are a different issue. Most harbour have bye laws which are entirely legal and which enable them to charge dues. They also have pressure from the Treasury and Gordon B to maximise their revenue so there is no local subsidy. Hence jampots like Salcombe "go for it". And there is no evidence to suggest the prices are putting people off visiting, so how can you justify reducing charges?
In contrast, the harbour authorities round here mainly make no harbour due charges because collecting them would cost more than the revenue gained.
andy_wilson
New member
Done to death but...
If a place is worth visiting it is worth looking after.
Take Falmouth, Fowey, Salcombe etc. Lift all the mooring buoys, navigation aids, remove shoreside facilities and harbour launches and watch what happens.
First WW3 will break out in Salcombe, followed closely by Fowey they Falmouth. Just imagine the anarchy, and the insurance charges, when you tell they you are leaving your yacht amongst the other 2000 amature laid moorings and assorted temporary ground tackle.
As for the port of refuge argument, anchoring on passage is an ordinary part of navigation but I hardly feel it is appropriate in this context for pleasure yachts. A merchant ship in the days of sail may drop the hook in the lee of a headland waiting for the tide to turn or the wind to shift. They may even take a ships boat to the nearby harbour. However in such conditions the crew of the average pleasure yacht anchored off say Swanage, will turn instantly green and rather than risk drowning taking the dinghy ashore, will run for the shelter of Poole, tie up snugly alongside and rush to the pub for a hot home cooked meal.
If a place is worth visiting it is worth looking after.
Take Falmouth, Fowey, Salcombe etc. Lift all the mooring buoys, navigation aids, remove shoreside facilities and harbour launches and watch what happens.
First WW3 will break out in Salcombe, followed closely by Fowey they Falmouth. Just imagine the anarchy, and the insurance charges, when you tell they you are leaving your yacht amongst the other 2000 amature laid moorings and assorted temporary ground tackle.
As for the port of refuge argument, anchoring on passage is an ordinary part of navigation but I hardly feel it is appropriate in this context for pleasure yachts. A merchant ship in the days of sail may drop the hook in the lee of a headland waiting for the tide to turn or the wind to shift. They may even take a ships boat to the nearby harbour. However in such conditions the crew of the average pleasure yacht anchored off say Swanage, will turn instantly green and rather than risk drowning taking the dinghy ashore, will run for the shelter of Poole, tie up snugly alongside and rush to the pub for a hot home cooked meal.