Anchor setup for Sadler 32

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Hi Guys,

Wondering if I could get your advice for an anchor setup on a Sadler 32 fin keel.

I've read that you want approximately 3x your boat length for the anchor chain (~30m in this case) and according to the anchor weight guide here - https://www.jimmygreen.co.uk/graphics/cms/Lewmar Delta Anchor Information.pdf I would want to have a 10kg anchor.

Will 8mmx30M chain be okay for this and is the 10kg Lewmar Delta anchor a good choice? https://www.jimmygreen.co.uk/item/16/lewmar-delta-anchor

Would you advice pairing the chain with say 20m of 12/14mm Rope for if I wanted to anchor in slightly deeper water? And is there a particular type of rope that I would be looking for?

many thanks and appreciated as always.

Alex
 
I had a 29 and sailed in company with a 32 for many years. As far as I remember, they had a 35lb CQR and a mixture of chain and warp. How much you have depends on the kind of places you will be anchoring. On the East Coast we seldom anchor in more than about 7m at HW, so 30m of chain would be enough, but having warp to extend it makes sense. You need to be able to get at the bitter end of the chain easily to make use of this, and I would attach it to the boat with a longish line that can be hooked up if in a hurry.
 
The x3 boat length is a very simple estimate that is pretty meaningless. If you were anchoring in the Channel Islands, with 12 metre tides, you would be looking at a rode length of at least 36 metres plus 10 or so as a minimum. In strong winds a scope of maybe 5:1 might be appropriate, and so it goes on.

Firstly, decide if you want all chain or mixed rope and chain. If you normally anchor in tidal ranges of only a few metres and normally go close in then your 30 metres of chain plus rope might be enough. I would choose double that amount of rope, preferably nylon multiplait but three strand is a cheaper, less good option. Many of us prefer all-chain for a variety of reasons, in which case 50 metres would probably be about right.

There are many threads on this subject, I suggest you use Search.

A 10 kg Delta ia good choice for your boat for most UK waters.
 
The figures you give are only a rule of thumb, the actual amount of chain and/or rope you use will depend on where you anchor and to an extent the size of your locker (and weight you are prepared to have up front). Personally I would go for 50m 8mm chain and 30m 12 or 14mm rope spliced to the end. However if you do not have a windlass you may want the lengths the other way round as hauling all that chain is hard work. The 10kg Delta is a good choice, probably the most popular of the non "new generation" anchors such as Spade, Rocna, Manson which are substantially more expensive. A good all rounder.
 
These are potentially deep waters but here we go.

I have a similar sort of boat and have found a 10kg anchor fine for sheltered anchorages in and around the UK. 15K might be more secure but it not so handy, particularly if you have a dodgy back or have to bring it, with the chain, from deep water.
The 10Kg thing has the additional advantage of fitting easily into the locker and you can bring it up quite rapidly if you have to work quickly, perhaps when single or shorthanded.
The Delta has a sound reputation though, like most anchors, there are certain trails where it has done not so well.
Like vyv I prefer all chain, in a continuous length. I think mine is 45mts which is generally fine but I have put on extra warp on the odd occasion.
 
Tranona said:
Personally I would go for 50m 8mm chain
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I've just (collected ten minutes ago!) sold 40m of 8mm chain because it was weighing the bow of the boat down too much. I kept 20m cut off the end. Loads of chain is great if your boat can handle it, but you can have too much of a good thing and my gut feel is that 50m is getting that way for a 32 footer with a relatively fine and overhanging bow. Would be worth the OP calculating the weight and stacking some water containers on the bow to see what happens before committing to it.

I now have 20m of chain and 80m of octoplait.

Pete
 
I have had my Sadler29 (bilge) for 30 years, and nearly always anchor. I agree with most others all chain (8mm in my case) is best whenever possible. I carry 50m chain although most of the time (Solent) only use around 30m. I have 50m of octoplait permanently attached to the chain but haven't used it for many years. (There is more down below if ever needed, or for use with a kedge).

For many years I used a 12Kg CQR . As well documented perfectly OK if and when it sets. I am now infinitely happier with a 16Kg Kobra (nearly the same as a Delta) which always sets first time and certainly holds. (Well worth the effort of hauling the extra 4Kg ....I don't have a windlass!).
 
Compare the weight of the chain with the weight of a bowman and you can see the effect of "all that weight" realistically!

My own boat is a Centurion 32 and it has a fine bow with a sizeable overhang; quite similar to a Sadler 32 but less beamy. I carry 45 metres of 8mm chain and a large CQR on the bow roller. You can see for yourself how it behaves while sailing. Bear in mind that the shots where the bows are seen were taken with the weight of my son (approx 80kg) in addition to the weight of the chain right forward.

 
I sailed a Sadler 32 all around Ireland and up around Scotland and to the Isles of Scilly, and used the 30m of 8mm chain and 35lb CQR she came with and never had an anchor drag. In my view anything more than 30m of 8mm chain in the bow anchor locker would be too heavy, and would upset your trim, and perhaps make her inclined to hobbyhorse. I did splice another 30m of 14mm three strand nylon rope to the end of the chain, which came in useful the odd time. These days I would substitute a modern anchor for the CQR and use octoplait rode. You will get lots of advice on anchor choice but I would make sure it stowed well on the bow roller, and also fitted easily into the anchor locker for those times you pick up a swinging mooring over the roller. The CQR went in, but it was a tight fit! Anything much more than 30m or heavier than 8mm will give you weight issues.
 
JollyRodgers said:
Hi Guys,

Wondering if I could get your advice for an anchor setup on a Sadler 32 fin keel.

I've read that you want approximately 3x your boat length for the anchor chain (~30m in this case) and according to the anchor weight guide here - https://www.jimmygreen.co.uk/graphics/cms/Lewmar Delta Anchor Information.pdf I would want to have a 10kg anchor.

Will 8mmx30M chain be okay for this and is the 10kg Lewmar Delta anchor a good choice? https://www.jimmygreen.co.uk/item/16/lewmar-delta-anchor

Would you advice pairing the chain with say 20m of 12/14mm Rope for if I wanted to anchor in slightly deeper water? And is there a particular type of rope that I would be looking for?

many thanks and appreciated as always.

Alex
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30m x 8m/m chain + a 10Kg genuine Bruce & you will sleep well
 
PuffTheMagicDragon said:
Compare the weight of the chain with the weight of a bowman and you can see the effect of "all that weight" realistically!
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I stand on the bow after cleaning the heads, to tip the water off the plinth around the loo :)

Taking the 40m of chain off has raised Ariam's bow by 2", as measured by the waterline growth. The bow also rises to the waves instead of submarining through them and the motion at sea is noticeably better. There's a few seconds of her in Dylan's film going into Chichester Harbour, with the chain still on board, and you can see the bow-heavy motion.

Maybe the Sadler copes better with the weight, but it's certainly a question worth at least considering.

Pete
 
I have a 16kg Delta, 50m of 8mm with 60m of 14mm octo spliced; but my chain locker is below where the forward bunks come together. The chain is led straight of the gypsy down a pipe. This means the weight is as low as I can get it and almost 5' aft of the stem.
The bunks are rarely used, so the intrusion of the pipe is no big deal.
 
afterpegassus said:
but my chain locker is below where the forward bunks come together. The chain is led straight of the gypsy down a pipe.
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That's an idea I had never considered. Thanks. My fore cabin (S29) is totally dedicated to storage anyway. It would certainly solve the dilemma of how to fit a windlass and still achieve a clean chain drop. (plenty of uses for the freed-up anchor locker!).
 
Alright, thanks for all the replies.

Seems as though the general consensus then is that 10kg Lewmar Delta anchor will be fine, with max 30M of 8mm chain and then a further 20M of Octoplait (as backup and rarely used, but useful to get the rest of the chain onto the seabed)
 
I love anchoring, I am just the type who worries and got all sorts of sleepless nights when using my knarly old CQR copy I had on board, so I went a little crazy with the research and ended up with a Rocna - no more sleepless nights and awesome holding power. I did an equally feverish write up - the guys at Rocna were exceedingly helpful with all my mad anchoring questions.

http://www.albinballad.co.uk/technology/rocna-anchoring-solution/
 
I also upgraded to a Manson - 12kg, from a C*** lookalike cqr anchor which was useless. I now anchor with confidence, 30m x 10mm chain + 30m of Octoplait. On a Moody 33.
 
On the subject of "fine entry/overhang" etc, I always thought bows like that had more buoyancy and therefore less affected by weight than a plumb bow, but I suspect I'm about to be corrected on this! OTOH the hobby horsing i can understand if too much weight in the ends compared to the middle.
On my S32 when i get my kit back from the riggers should have 34M x 8mm and 30m x 14mm anchorplait, hopefully with the correct splice this time so that it goes through the windlass. Replacing the 25lb CQR is a dilemma though - looking at 12Kg or 14kg Kobra 2, 11 Kg Manson or even 12Kg Vulcan. Hopefully one of these will fit neatly on the bow roller or in the locker or if it has to be lashed to the deck will at least pass through the pulpit.
 
JollyRodgers said:
Alright, thanks for all the replies.

Seems as though the general consensus then is that 10kg Lewmar Delta anchor will be fine, with max 30M of 8mm chain and then a further 20M of Octoplait (as backup and rarely used, but useful to get the rest of the chain onto the seabed)
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Had a similar dilemma with my new (to me) 30 footer a few weeks ago.

Went for 30m x 8mm chain spliced to 20m x 14mm Octoplait attached to 12kg Kobra 2.

Haven't anchored yet...

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