An anchoring heads up.

While the loss of the boat is sad I wonder who taught them that the chain should ONLY rely in the windlass. Lots of comments on YouTube about that.
 
Very sad indeed. Interesting to note that, during the sketch drawing stage, it is mentioned that the whole anchor chain was dumped on the sea bed as the securing rope in the locker failed. However in the shots of the salvage team initially preparing the boat there is still an anchor chain shown going from the stem head into the water. :confused:
 
More seriously

Use a snubber, despite what others do (or not do).

There is nothing wrong with belt AND braces.

Snubbers fail - we actually use a snubber (or bridle in multi speak) and a chain lock.

Jonathan
 
Neeves said:
More seriously

Use a snubber, despite what others do (or not do).

There is nothing wrong with belt AND braces.

Snubbers fail - we actually use a snubber (or bridle in multi speak) and a chain lock.

Jonathan
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We use a snubber to snub and a short length of dyneema to keep the load off the windlass should the snubber break. Only been doing this recently as the snubber is getting old so risk off snapping more likely. Our windlass has a clutch and break which reduces the risk of chain run out anyway.
I dont think any keel on a boat would survive the way that boat was dragged over the reef. The salvage team were very poor. They seem to inflict most of the damage. The boat didn't look well built in the first place. The way the chain plates pulled out was shocking!
 
doug748 said:
Here is a good reminder to look after the little things:
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I wouldn’t call anchoring and relying entirely on a friction clutch on a windlass a “little thing”. It’s a fairly basic and very major “no no” I would think.
Hope the insurance doesn’t consider it negligence.

Like others on here it is snubber and a second chain shackle for us overnight and/or unattended. And at least the chain shackle even for lunch.
 
The guy on the video says that it's more common than not in the Med to leave boats anchored with no snubber?

Seriously? That's certainly not my experience. :confused:

It's a sad ending for a lovely boat but my view is that anyone who leaves a boat at anchor without a snubber or chain lock needs to have their head examined. How long have these people been sailing for, I wonder? Even in my relatively short sailing career, I've seen the chain slip out over the gypsy, if it is not restrained in any other way, so many times to know, absolutely, that one simply cannot leave a boat like that. :ambivalence:

Richard
 
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With a salvage crew like that he was doomed after he went aground even if, which I doubt, the keel was repairable.

I presume he was not aboard or very drunk etc to not hear the chain run out. It cant have been quick at first.
 
The comment that no-one (or hardly anyone) uses a snubber is questionable (but might have some truth in it). I certainly see a lot of yachts in Australia at anchor with no sign of a snubber or with a very short snubber. You don't need a snubber to overcome the clutch slipping - a chain lock would resolve that issue (a snubber is used for other, different, reasons as well - and we use both a snubber and a back up (call it a chain lock). But it is sometimes difficult to see the deck of a yacht at anchor - and a snubber can be attached and not seen from the water. I also question to comment that many people, the comment is focussed at long term cruisers, use a bigger anchor than recommended - not true of many I see. These comments are thrown out - not a shred of evidence - they might be true - but without evidence they are simply one persons observation - which may or may not be true.

Here on YBW, and the other forum, we represent a very small, tiny, part of yacht ownership. Of the active members many will simply not bother to read anchor threads. You also needed to be really committed to wade through that video. Though snubbers, chain locks and the practice of taking the tension off the windlass is thrashed to death (note, as mentioned, the number of threads current) - it is obvious not everyone knows (or believes in the practice). In the same way I see very many cheap and nasty swivels - accidents waiting to happen - the owners cannot read these threads.

Jonathan
 
Giblets said:
Very sad indeed....
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Sad or a good story, I'm not sure? It doesn't look like a very expensive boat and while I've no idea who these people are, their Youtube business model is entirely dependent on publicity of which this has to rank fairly high.

Perhaps a tad harsh, it's hard to know.
 
dom said:
Sad or a good story, I'm not sure? It doesn't look like a very expensive boat and while I've no idea who these people are, their Youtube business model is entirely dependent on publicity of which this has to rank fairly high.

Perhaps a tad harsh, it's hard to know.
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I don't think they have a Youtube business model or make videos, though a fund has been launched:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/3af59g-s...urce=customer&utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet

The film was made by friends from another boat.
 
dom said:
Fair enough, but I do wonder if their laissez faire attitude is indicative of something?

They're young and able enough, so what's wrong with a good old-fashioned job :confused:
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You mean a proper job! Instead of sailing around in the sun, drinking dark and stormies, not having to go to work in the cold wet winter, when you can simply make a video every week and not work. Now why would they do that :)
 
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