Amel 60 - Miele Stove with Induction hob

[Seven Spades]

I have just watched the YW video of the Amel 60. It featurers a Miele electric oven with an induction hob. It is a completely "marinized" product. I would like information on this product. According to the video you need to go lithium to operate it. I have Googled this and can't find any information on it. I don't know if Miele make it in their marine division or if a third party is putting these together. If anyone has more ionformation please post here or PM me.



Here is the Youtube video

 

[sailorbenji]

I'm aware Miele have developed some dishwasher and laundry products specifically for marine use (though focused heavily on oil rigs, ships and mega yachts)

What makes you say these are specifically "marinised" ? Is it not standard household hob and oven built into a custom gimbal enclosure?

They don't specifically need to be run off Lithium batteries, but of course an electric hob/oven represents a significant electrical load on relatively small yacht systems. The reason Lithium is therefore recommended is the ability to discharge to a much deeper level than conventional batteries, and the ability to bang all that energy back into them once you can put charge in at a much faster rate also.

 

[Seven Spades]

The fact that is is built into a custom enclosure for boat use. I don't know if Miele marine division have done this or someone else, it is not important.

 

[sailorbenji]

The fact that is is built into a custom enclosure for boat use. I don't know if Miele marine division have done this or someone else, it is not important.

I was mid-editing my post....I believe they are domestic units built into an enclosure by Amel themselves....other query re: powering them answered above

 

[Seven Spades]

I am fully aware of why Lithium is used and its benefits in now wasting energy when charging. I would love to get rid of gas, diesel is much easier to carry and replace than gas.

It will be interesting to know if this boat can become self sufficient in energy using a mixture of tow generators and photocells.

 

[sailorbenji]

I am fully aware of why Lithium is used and its benefits in now wasting energy when charging. I would love to get rid of gas, diesel is much easier to carry and replace than gas.

OK. Yes, it's a great attraction to get rid of gas....we recently upgraded to Lithium batteries (48V store) and are considering electrical hobs.

Confirmed btw. from a contact, it's Miele 230V domestic appliances, built into a stainless frame/gimbal at the yard.

Re: self-sufficiency, very difficult to say and would entirely depend on the electricity usage and how the boat is used. Photocells wouldn't keep up with liberal use of all the electrical appliances on this boat...not close. Supplemented with a tow generator, maybe, but of course only relevant if the boat was often under way at good speed. Sat at anchor, you'd definitely need a generator to charge the batteries, or one of the new smart alternator type products. (Integrel)

In my experience, owners of such boats have no interest in limiting their electrical usage to become completely "green". The more gizmos and facilities on the boat, the more likely they are to use them, and unfortunately available green generating options practical to fit on a yacht, simply can't replenish the usage alone.

 

[ryanroberts]

This sort of thing seems similar to granite countertops 5-10 years ago (or polished concrete nowadays) that ended up in a lot of inland boat builds. Fancy house patrician fashion stuff with a lot of obvious issues on a boat.

On a related note, rarely see Wallas diesel stoves on any boats I have been looking at. Currently have 2x14KG propane tanks which last 4-6 months on a narrowboat. Messing around with teeny little gas bottles seems like a lot of inconvenience / consumable cost but there must be a good reason why people seem to stay away from diesel cookers other than unit cost?

 

[Stemar]

Convenience?

When I want a cuppa, I turn on the gas and light the burner. Full heat immediately. Personally, I don't want to wait for it to warm up, which is why I wouldn't have an electric hob other than induction

 

[GHA]

I am fully aware of why Lithium is used and its benefits in now wasting energy when charging. I would love to get rid of gas, diesel is much easier to carry and replace than gas.

It will be interesting to know if this boat can become self sufficient in energy using a mixture of tow generators and photocells.

Delos did a handful of videos detailing their move over to lithium/induction >>

 

[Heckler]

I noted on one of the recent videos coming across the Atlantic, with the youngster in charge, they let the bank go down that much that it cut off supply.

 

[Monique]

I noted on one of the recent videos coming across the Atlantic, with the youngster in charge, they let the bank go down that much that it cut off supply.

Our boat is an electrical gonzo.. but we love our induction cooktop. Much faster than gas, safer by a long margin. If readers want to take this route, ensure your battery circuit is up to the task. We love it.

The youngster who ran Delos batteries to zilch had a seamanship failure moment....

 

[rotrax]

Our boat is an electrical gonzo.. but we love our induction cooktop. Much faster than gas, safer by a long margin. If readers want to take this route, ensure your battery circuit is up to the task. We love it.

The youngster who ran Delos batteries to zilch had a seamanship failure moment....

Some fellow Island Packet SP Cruiser owners had an all electric cooking regime on their lovely boat. Microwave and Induction Hob, electric oven. Sadly, not a gimbaled cooker, so not for me.

AFAIK, pressing or turning a switch for cooking started the quiet Onan 8KW genset which then did the business. It switched off when the load was removed.

Simples.

 

[Elessar]

On a related note, rarely see Wallas diesel stoves on any boats I have been looking at. Currently have 2x14KG propane tanks which last 4-6 months on a narrowboat. Messing around with teeny little gas bottles seems like a lot of inconvenience / consumable cost but there must be a good reason why people seem to stay away from diesel cookers other than unit cost?

I have no gas on board and had a diesel hob.

Advantages apart from the fuel source are that it is easy clean compared with gas, and you can get a lid with a fan in which turns it into a space heater.

Disadvantages are it is slow to heat up (but I use an electric kettle for tea) and slow to change temperature. The one pan space is over the burner and the other is over the exhaust so one is half the heat of the other and there is only one temperature knob. And the cooking space is a bit small.

It’s fine for heating stuff up but if you like to actually cook on board it can be frustrating. Also I’ve not seen one in a gimbal and I don’t know if that’s possible? Not a consideration for me in a mobo.

I installed a generator and fitted a bog standard domestic ceramic hob. The diesel hob sold quickly and I’d have another myself if I couldn’t fit a gennie.

 

[dunedin]

Some fellow Island Packet SP Cruiser owners had an all electric cooking regime on their lovely boat. Microwave and Induction Hob, electric oven. Sadly, not a gimbaled cooker, so not for me.
AFAIK, pressing or turning a switch for cooking started the quiet Onan 8KW genset which then did the business. It switched off when the load was removed.
Simples.

Perhaps fine for a boat mainly in marinas and coast hopping, but seems like a lot of unnecessary complexity for a boat going blue water or simply cruising regularly off grid.
It is very rare for a gas cooker to fail, provided have spare gas cylinder and pipe work inspected / replaced regularly.

On things like ARC generator problems were relatively common. And total reliance on very high drain electric cooker and microwave could mean being unable to cook or even make a hot drink for a couple of weeks.

PS. On the other hand a small portable electric hob is very useful as a secondary cooking source when cruising from harbour to harbour in places where gas is very expensive or difficult to obtain - eg the Baltic.