amazing lack of knowledge

It's a ll a bit of a moot point, as the MoD (or whatever today's name might be) have told EA that they don't give an asterisk (ahem, are not concerned) about the misuse of colours on the River.

It's unclear who may initiate a prosecution, so misuse becomes an academic issue.

As to Rogers, jolly or otherwise, as there is no Naval establishment on the Thames, I have a vision of the Henley Sea Cadets (or Walton, or Kingston, or..) opening fire on suspect vessels with - a paintball gun - /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

It's great to see all manner of folks wearing (well, there's not much scope to fly any flag on most Chentleman's river launches) various national (non UK) and even unofficial regional flags, it give one an opportunity to open a conversation while waiting for a Summer Assistant to work the lock.


But I do deplore the aforementioned black and white banner and the wearing of a St. George ESPECIALLY during Henley week and the TTBR weekend both where several Little Ships will be present -

<span style="color:blue"> Lest we forget</span>

Oh dear, getting serious for a moment.
 
As an aside, I have been asked a couple of times for the Warrant allowing my to fly the defaced blue ensign on Straight Across by lock keepers, some years ago at St Johns, more recently at Cleeve.

IanC
 
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As an aside, I have been asked a couple of times for the Warrant allowing my to fly the defaced blue ensign on Straight Across by lock keepers, some years ago at St Johns, more recently at Cleeve.

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I too have been challenged, but not recently - well, since EA asked MoD what to do and they said in effect "nothing to do with us, ask the RYA"

For pedantry's sake I think only a serving RN officer or Customs man is entitled to ask to see your Warrant.

I had a long and heated conversation with Ian at Cleeve some years ago, and he gave me a right bollocking - I did deserve it, but having explained what I was wearing, we parted company on excellent terms and continue to this day - when he is there...

Nowadays everything is so PC, that lockies are afraid to say anything - under pain of a "Disciplinary". A great pity as I have learnt a lot from these guys over the years
 
Now is there any way I am allowed to fly an Australian Red Ensign on the mast while flying the Red Ensign at the stern?

As a house flag on port spreaders?
 
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Now is there any way I am allowed to fly an Australian Red Ensign on the mast while flying the Red Ensign at the stern?

As a house flag on port spreaders?

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Yes! that is something you should do when visiting Australia with your boat /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Seriously! Not the 'done' thing and frowned upon by pedantic purists like wot I is but other than that and the possibilty that people will think you have been mysteriously teleported from Ozzy waters to ours... then who gives a siht /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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It's a ll a bit of a moot point, as the MoD (or whatever today's name might be) have told EA that they don't give an asterisk (ahem, are not concerned) about the misuse of colours on the River.
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It is the R.N. who usually initiate a prosecution although Custome & Excise can do so also. The department involved in London is run by a Wren Sub Lt. ably assisted by the civvi wife of a R.N. Captain. (at least it was).

The last time I personally was involved was waaay back in 1977 when a dude with a Shetland 535 had been running up and down Fleet Review flying the Union Flag. He received several friendly warnings from various officials which he chose to ignore and in fact got quite arsey about. I think he was fined £500 and had his boat seized. It is such a long time ago and my memory is dim (as I am anyway).
There have of course been prosections since but to be fair the people nicked have had numerous warnings. One certain boat on the Thames had been told 11 times about his illegal flying of a blue.
 
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Yes! that is something you should do when visiting Australia with your boat /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Seriously! Not the 'done' thing and frowned upon by pedantic purists like wot I is but other than that and the possibilty that people will think you have been mysteriously teleported from Ozzy waters to ours... then who gives a siht /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Wasn't planning on it but just wondering as these rules all seem very complicated. A long way to Australia at 8 knots...
 
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Wasn't planning on it but just wondering as these rules all seem very complicated. A long way to Australia at 8 knots...

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The rules aren't complicated and all were made for good reasons. Same goes for flag etiquette, damn good reasoning behind it.

Quite simply a British Boat should fly a red ensign unless the owner has a Warrant for that vessel to fly something else.
 
Always interested to see a blue on variuos small boats which I can't believe are registered - I thought you had to be min 2 tons to be registered under the shipping acts, and had to be registered to get a warrant. Somebody said they (slipper launches etc) could be tenders to larger registered boats & thats how they get round it.

IanC
 
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The rules aren't complicated and all were made for good reasons. Same goes for flag etiquette, damn good reasoning behind it.

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not suggesting for a moment that they weren't made for good reasons.

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Quite simply a British Boat should fly a red ensign unless the owner has a Warrant for that vessel to fly something else.

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It is the exceptions and warrant system that seems tricky to me. The basic rule is clear. Perhaps my confusion is caused by the lack of others sticking to the etiquette...Makes me assume there are more exceptions than there actually are.
 
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Always interested to see a blue on variuos small boats which I can't believe are registered - I thought you had to be min 2 tons to be registered under the shipping acts, and had to be registered to get a warrant. Somebody said they (slipper launches etc) could be tenders to larger registered boats & thats how they get round it.

IanC

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The tender to a larger craft that has a warrant can indeed fly the blue provided said tender is capable of being lifted aboard.
99.9% of the time these guys with blues on Slippers are just trying it on and recognised for what they are "posers"

You are correct, a vessel needs be 2¼ tons and 27' (I think)for a warrant. Part 1 Registration or an SSR is the other need.
Better yacht clubs actually inspect yachts prior to issue. Some, like the Cruising Association issue Warrants like confetti and because of this cheapened their defaced blue until it has become a joke.
 
Moored at Kampen on the mighty River Ijssel last night. In came another British mobo (a bit of a rarity this far north in Holland), wearing a blue, which was then left out all night!! Bloody typical. Who do I report him to?
 
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Moored at Kampen on the mighty River Ijssel last night. In came another British mobo (a bit of a rarity this far north in Holland), wearing a blue, which was then left out all night!! Bloody typical. Who do I report him to?

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/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif shock horror /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif Report him to the issueing authority, the burgee flown in conjunction will tell you who that is.

I would have him keel hauled after receiving 37 lashes of the cat.
 
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Red crowny sort of thing on a white background. RNSA?

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Sounds wrong. Blue Crown over a red cross on a white background is RNSA.
 
"Some, like the Cruising Association issue Warrants like confetti and because of this cheapened their defaced blue until it has become a joke."

I better not fly mine when going past South Stoke then!

The one time I saw a white ensign it was on a largish steel motorboat creating going very fast & havoc through moorings on the Ore/Alde, should have reported him to the RYS.

IanC
 
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Sounds wrong. Blue Crown over a red cross on a white background is RNSA.

[/ QUOTE ] 'Spose that could have been it. Short term memory totally ****ed these days. Remember, I'm almost as old as you!!
 
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Red crowny sort of thing on a white background. RNSA?

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The only burgee I could find sort of meeting that description is the House of Lords Yacht Club , a bit unlikely though
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It's the totally white background that's the stumbler...
 
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