All this tosh about wash!!!

flaming said:
Not the point. I don't want to win by luck any more than I want to lose by luck.
Nor do I believe a MOBO blasting through a near becalmed race fleet has anything to do with luck, more with a reluctance to deviate from the path indicated by the chart plotter, coupled with a lack of understanding as to the results...
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and whats is "through" this becalmed fleet?
If you are spread over a mile, is that supposed to be out of bounds? Am I supposed to take a 2 mile detour bcz you dont want your boat rocked, or you might lose your race?
I hope/think I am sensitive to other sea users, but there has to be a balance, and you might not always agree with my judgement, and sometimes I might get it wrong.
But if you choose to boat (whatever the boat) in extremely crowded waters, put up with the fact it is crowded.
Funnily enough, when I go down to Cornwall, mobo's seem damn aweful at staying clear of sailing boats, but no one seems to fuss.
 
Your wake is almost flat Ian, I would have thought you could get straight onto the plane at Eastoke/hamble point marina regardless of other boats.
 
flaming said:
Work boats tent to hold straight courses don't tend to come as close, and aren't as often found in leisure boating areas. I've never seen a work boat creating a 4' high wave at the Hamble point buoy for example - which is where we will be busy dropping sails etc. I have seen many examples of MOBO wake that I have been concerned enough about to call warnings to my crew. On some occasions we've been hit by the breaking part of the wake, whilst we've had crew on deck engaged in dropping sails.

However, I'm not especially bothered about that sort of wash, as it's just a minor annoyance and we're all old enough and ugly enough to be able to hold on, and we expect to get wet when we go sailing.

From my personal perspective, the only time I really care about wash is when racing in very light winds. In those circumstances wash can stop us dead - and it can take us minutes to get up to speed again.
We know that the wash from a Ship in the main channel, or a redjet etc will affect the whole fleet - so it's annoying, but it affects the fleet equally and dealing with it is a skill in itself. However, because MOBO wake dissapates faster, and the MOBO may not be holding a straight course like the ship or the red jet, and are often closer, it's quite common for the effect to some of the fleet to be much worse than to others. Which has just affected the racing in a way that is not fair to all competitiors.

I'm a competitive guy, I get my fun by competing against, and hopefully beating, other sailors.
My fun rarely has any noticable impact on your fun. It doesn't spoil your day to have to alter course to go around me.

However, your fun can impact on my fun by wrecking my race.
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Have you really thought your response through? or are you just being a troll?

The wind don't blow a steady 4-5 and water ain't flat, BTW Asterix going into Hamble doesn't throttle back until she's at the 6 knot marker, try handling her wash in a 9' tender, but funnily enough I accept these conditions, why? because that's boating, the cry of "we're racing" doesn't cut any mustard with me,the point is I don't care that you're racing, and you shouldn't care about my wash, if it's a real issue take your sport to lake windermere, where, I'm lead to believe they have a blanket speed limit, also talk to god, because given the right conditions, I seem to think the wind causes waves too.

FFS get a grip!
 
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I had a new owner on a 50 foot motor boat for his delivery trip. Out of interest, his son in law had come along for the ride. He is a professional racing sailor and covers thousands of miles a year at sea in pursuit of his sport and work.
he was at the helm of the boat comfortably cruising at a sedate 18 knots. We were running up Southampton Water and about 300 yards from the nearest boat - a sailing yacht.
The skipper came to the rail and shouted and waved very enthusiastically at us. Whats that all about the son asked. We are being told to slow down, as usual, said I. Checking our very flat wake behind and the fact hat out waves would never get to him he said, You must be ****ing joking, what is his problem?
That, I explained is what we get, where ever and when ever we go to sea and within a mile of a sail boat.
Bl**dy ridiculous he said and promised to wrote to his favourite sailing magazine about the incident.:eek:
I only hope he did but even then he is just a well seasoned competent sail boat skipper of some repute - so what does his opinion count for when up against such dyed in the wool contempt for any motorised boat.:confused:
 
Imperial One said:
so what does his opinion count for when up against such dyed in the wool contempt for any motorised boat.:confused:
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a) As a pro he'll have a much greater tolerance than your average SWMBO
b) Don't know what your boat is, but you've probably got a better view of how your wake being 1. Higher up 2. Actually in a position to assess it, rather than just thinking "oh bugger, here we go again"

I'm not a great waver, but it's not always easy to assess whether a MoBo is going to rock you before it goes past, esp given the speeds some of the more "Essex" owners move in crowded waters.

Jamie
 
flaming said:
From my personal perspective, the only time I really care about wash is when racing in very light winds. In those circumstances wash can stop us dead - and it can take us minutes to get up to speed again.
We know that the wash from a Ship in the main channel, or a redjet etc will affect the whole fleet - so it's annoying, but it affects the fleet equally and dealing with it is a skill in itself. However, because MOBO wake dissapates faster, and the MOBO may not be holding a straight course like the ship or the red jet, and are often closer, it's quite common for the effect to some of the fleet to be much worse than to others. Which has just affected the racing in a way that is not fair to all competitiors.

I'm a competitive guy, I get my fun by competing against, and hopefully beating, other sailors.
My fun rarely has any noticable impact on your fun. It doesn't spoil your day to have to alter course to go around me.

However, your fun can impact on my fun by wrecking my race.
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well stop racing using the main channel buoys as marks and expecting everyone else to move over
 
flaming said:
Work boats tent to hold straight courses don't tend to come as close, and aren't as often found in leisure boating areas. I've never seen a work boat creating a 4' high wave at the Hamble point buoy for example - which is where we will be busy dropping sails etc. I have seen many examples of MOBO wake that I have been concerned enough about to call warnings to my crew. On some occasions we've been hit by the breaking part of the wake, whilst we've had crew on deck engaged in dropping sails.

However, I'm not especially bothered about that sort of wash, as it's just a minor annoyance and we're all old enough and ugly enough to be able to hold on, and we expect to get wet when we go sailing.

From my personal perspective, the only time I really care about wash is when racing in very light winds. In those circumstances wash can stop us dead - and it can take us minutes to get up to speed again.
We know that the wash from a Ship in the main channel, or a redjet etc will affect the whole fleet - so it's annoying, but it affects the fleet equally and dealing with it is a skill in itself. However, because MOBO wake dissapates faster, and the MOBO may not be holding a straight course like the ship or the red jet, and are often closer, it's quite common for the effect to some of the fleet to be much worse than to others. Which has just affected the racing in a way that is not fair to all competitiors.

I'm a competitive guy, I get my fun by competing against, and hopefully beating, other sailors.
My fun rarely has any noticable impact on your fun. It doesn't spoil your day to have to alter course to go around me.

However, your fun can impact on my fun by wrecking my race.
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Good post, It might just help MOBO drivers to understand the problems they cause especially if youngsters are helping out on the foredeck
 
Raggies please explain this, I am motoring on the Thames, note a sail dingy crossing the river diagonaly. Decide to heave to, the dingy is crossing in front of me with wind, he then decides to turn right in front of me (10' ) back onto a colision course, hard to port and move quickly. This prompted " MOTOR GIVES WAY TO SAIL ". Why should I bother being considerate only to be treated in that way, his behavior has spoilt it for all the sailors from that club, I can be selectively deaf to abuse.
 
Seems to me we all have a few issues with each of our chosen sailing methods !!
Myself I am a raggie and have no axe to grind with most of the motorboat owners, but in all walks of life you get the odd ars hole that spoils it for the rest.
Going by some of the posts on all these forums there is certainly a fair share of the a-holes present and goes to show how they seem to crawl around every walk of life.
 
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