All this tosh about wash!!!

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Noticed another oooo you're going too fast and making it all bumpy moan from a raggie thread ........... again!!

why do raggies moan about wash, obviously never been out in any kind of sea outside the solent!!!

as for slowing down creating no wash, ever been passed by one of these fellas http://www.classictugs.co.uk/solent_towage.html they don't slow down just create a wall of water about 4 feet high!






Ian
 
Raggie or mobo, it is all the same when moored up, and some inconsiderate burk causes the G&T to spill!!

I always slow down when passing anything moored.
 
iangrant said:
Noticed another oooo you're going too fast and making it all bumpy moan from a raggie thread ........... again!!

why do raggies moan about wash, obviously never been out in any kind of sea outside the solent!!!

as for slowing down creating no wash, ever been passed by one of these fellas http://www.classictugs.co.uk/solent_towage.html they don't slow down just create a wall of water about 4 feet high!






Ian
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Its your wash, you make it and the rest of the world has to put up with it.
Do you overtake on the inside lane on the motorway too?

You must be fun guy to be around!
 
My wash

See - straight in there, I didn't mention my wash, I was merely pointing out a couple of vessels that made a mess of a flat Solent!!

I always slow down, considerate in mooring areas, but even at 6 kts why do raggies insist on "doing the slow down wave"?
 
iangrant said:
See - straight in there, I didn't mention my wash, I was merely pointing out a couple of vessels that made a mess of a flat Solent!!

I always slow down, considerate in mooring areas, but even at 6 kts why do raggies insist on "doing the slow down wave"?
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Hi Ian
Nice to hear from you again, as you can see nothing changes.........same sh!t, different day. ;) ;)
Don't think it will change really. probably people need to stop 'langushing on the South Coast' and go and see a bit of the world. ;) ;)
 
Ian, tend to agree with you, having sailed all my life I think most of the wash issues are just banter... I owned a J24 for a number of years and raced in the Solent, in a small low freeboard sailing boat you can feel pretty insignificant, but the biggest issue wash had for us was when we were not sailing and under power, our little 3hp outboard on the transom used to hop out the water but it wasn't the end of the world... at the end of the day wash is only a series of one or two waves..they soon pass..

Certainly as a small Mobo we are as effected by other Mobo's & commercial ships waves just as much as any raggie, in fact we are effected far more than boats bigger than us whether raggie or Mobo... I just tell my SWMBO & daughter to hang on... a really big wave is normally followed by a "Whoop" from my daughter!...

Saying that I would take offence if a huge Mobo opened up while just 10ft away from us and possibly caused injury due to a massive, close to, unexpected wash... but in 40 yrs on the water its not happened yet. Perhaps I'm just lucky, or are Mobo owners not as stupid and thoughtless as some raggies think, and like me are aware of the wash we make and do try to avoid getting up on the plane near others?
 
No matter how hard you try to please all the raggies you just cant, some just dont want you there Ian (welcome back BTW where have you been, I even issue a MIA thread for you).:)

On a recent thread the best advice I got was to keep out of hearing distance, then just wave back with a silly grin on your face ;)

For a little sport..........
try to find a sailing boat with some dollys on board
go close enough (low wash) to wave, the raggies will hate you as always and scowl at you but a slight doff of your cap and a smile with eye contact to the dollys will always get you a nice blush back , now watch a scowl from the raggies become an evil look of hatred :D
 
I use my S/D boat almost always at displacement speeds and I am actually affected more by wash than the average raggie. Mostly I regard it as just another (small) wave. bit like being at sea really. On offshore passages you just have to take it on the chin like all the other waves. The only time I get hacked off is when superyachts the size of ships roar past far too close at 25knots and spill my nice cup of tea.(plenty of those round these parts)
Anchorages are another matter, when as somebody above pointed out, yachties and mobos are effectively in the same boat.(?) With my hull shape I will roll twice as much as raggies in the yacht next door, but they are invariably twice as incensed. It is entirely an attitude of mind.
I get the slow down hand signal in anchorages all the time even at 4knots and zero wash. They just can't help themselves. Their antagonism to Mobos is so entrenched they are looking for trouble as soon as one appears on the horizon.
They love to present themselves as the ocean going "real" sailors" but get there knickers in a twist at the approach of a 5mm ripple - the same size ripple from a passing yacht will go unremarked.Very strange.
 
" they don't slow down just create a wall of water about 4 feet high"

That cos they are at work ......not trying to look cool in their tent boat gin palace or live out some speed fantasy that really should have faded when they turned sixteen or actually managed to get a proper girlfriend.? :)
 
oldgit said:
" they don't slow down just create a wall of water about 4 feet high"

That cos they are at work ......not trying to look cool in their tent boat gin palace or live out some speed fantasy that really should have faded when they turned sixteen or actually managed to get a proper girlfriend.? :)
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so, let's examine that statement. You accept the 4ft wash from a work boat as OK but the same wash (or actually much,much, much less) from a mobo (sorry, I mean tent boat gin palace) is a hanging offence. So it is the perpetrator of the wash which is much more important than the wash itself.
I conclude therefore, as I have many times before, that the whole wash issue is pure anti mobo prejudice and precious little to do with wash at all.
 
Yeah, sure - "All MoBos are barstewards" :rolleyes:

Is that what you wanted to hear? I do feel sorry for your persecution complex, I really must do more to try & justify it. :p

& I thought I was having a pop too many before. :D:D
 
Try going that bit faster, as you can see by the time my ripple reaches this guy we are well out of hearing distance.

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At the end of the day it's the sea! like it or lump it... if you don't like it, don't do it. get a narrowboat! seems about the same mentality to me.. :P
 
blueglass said:
so, let's examine that statement. You accept the 4ft wash from a work boat as OK but the same wash (or actually much,much, much less) from a mobo (sorry, I mean tent boat gin palace) is a hanging offence. So it is the perpetrator of the wash which is much more important than the wash itself.
I conclude therefore, as I have many times before, that the whole wash issue is pure anti mobo prejudice and precious little to do with wash at all.
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Work boats tent to hold straight courses don't tend to come as close, and aren't as often found in leisure boating areas. I've never seen a work boat creating a 4' high wave at the Hamble point buoy for example - which is where we will be busy dropping sails etc. I have seen many examples of MOBO wake that I have been concerned enough about to call warnings to my crew. On some occasions we've been hit by the breaking part of the wake, whilst we've had crew on deck engaged in dropping sails.

However, I'm not especially bothered about that sort of wash, as it's just a minor annoyance and we're all old enough and ugly enough to be able to hold on, and we expect to get wet when we go sailing.

From my personal perspective, the only time I really care about wash is when racing in very light winds. In those circumstances wash can stop us dead - and it can take us minutes to get up to speed again.
We know that the wash from a Ship in the main channel, or a redjet etc will affect the whole fleet - so it's annoying, but it affects the fleet equally and dealing with it is a skill in itself. However, because MOBO wake dissapates faster, and the MOBO may not be holding a straight course like the ship or the red jet, and are often closer, it's quite common for the effect to some of the fleet to be much worse than to others. Which has just affected the racing in a way that is not fair to all competitiors.

I'm a competitive guy, I get my fun by competing against, and hopefully beating, other sailors.
My fun rarely has any noticable impact on your fun. It doesn't spoil your day to have to alter course to go around me.

However, your fun can impact on my fun by wrecking my race.
 
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