Aldi combined smoke/monoxide alarm £17.99

I got a similar one a couple of years ago. It was prone to sounding around 4am quite regularly. Close study of the instructions showed it was not suitable for boats or caravans. Aldi's returns policy is good.

I'm still puzzled what is special about CO on boats that a domestic alarm is no use. The only factor could be humidity but that's rarely exceptionally high on board and here in Argyll, it' can be very high in domestic situations!

Derek
 
cpedw said:
I'm still puzzled what is special about CO on boats that a domestic alarm is no use. The only factor could be humidity but that's rarely exceptionally high on board and here in Argyll, it' can be very high in domestic situations!
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I think it's probably just a simple matter of certification. It will cost manufacturers to get the additional BS EN50291-2 certification for caravan/boat use, and they may not think it's worth it.

I have a Fire Angel CO-9D on the boat, a neat little device, and certified for boat use. https://www.safelincs.co.uk/fire-angel-co-9d-carbon-monoxide-alarm/
 
pvb said:
I think it's probably just a simple matter of certification. It will cost manufacturers to get the additional BS EN50291-2 certification for caravan/boat use, and they may not think it's worth it.

I have a Fire Angel CO-9D on the boat, a neat little device, and certified for boat use. https://www.safelincs.co.uk/fire-angel-co-9d-carbon-monoxide-alarm/
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Someone will be along soon to tell you that your Co alarm isn't suitable for a boat Peter :)
 
combined smoke and co alarm`s are not safe enough and the bs rating is for the parts inside suitable for marine enviroment the only co alarm`s i fit are honeywell they designed and spec suitable for domestic and marine and i fit quite a few and only ever had issues with 1 in the past 10 years use but only single types not combined its on the gas safe website for suitable types
honeywell type are only about 15 ish plus vat so not alot saving considering it a safety issue
also i would only ever fit cell type and not battery as salt enviroment is a issue

in my opinion
 
thegasmannick said:
combined smoke and co alarm`s are not safe enough and the bs rating is for the parts inside suitable for marine enviroment the only co alarm`s i fit are honeywell they designed and spec suitable for domestic and marine and i fit quite a few and only ever had issues with 1 in the past 10 years use but only single types not combined its on the gas safe website for suitable types
honeywell type are only about 15 ish plus vat so not alot saving considering it a safety issue
also i would only ever fit cell type and not battery as salt enviroment is a issue

in my opinion
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Not sure I understood all of that. What's the model number of the Honeywell CO alarm you fit?
 
pvb said:
I think it's probably just a simple matter of certification. It will cost manufacturers to get the additional BS EN50291-2 certification for caravan/boat use, and they may not think it's worth it.

I have a Fire Angel CO-9D on the boat, a neat little device, and certified for boat use. https://www.safelincs.co.uk/fire-angel-co-9d-carbon-monoxide-alarm/
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I have one here, at home.

According to the instruction book ( see page 5) it is not suitable for boats........ and that is despite apparently having the appropriate certification. This has been discussed before.

Your link also says it is not suitable for boats

Paul rainbow well remembers the previous discussion and knows the full explanation of this anomaly, which I have forgotten, because IIRC he contacted Fireangel

http://www.free-instruction-manuals.com/pdf/pa_1042264.pdf
 
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VicS said:
I have one here, at home.

According to the instruction book ( see page 5) it is not suitable for boats........ and that is despite apparently having the appropriate certification. This has been discussed before.

Your link also says it is not suitable for boats

Paul rainbow well remembers the previous discussion and knows the full explanation of this anomaly, which I have forgotten, because IIRC he contacted Fireangel

http://www.free-instruction-manuals.com/pdf/pa_1042264.pdf
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Oh, Vic, I'm not going to lose any sleep over that! It's a nice little alarm, I like the fact that it has a display showing ppm, and my boat is drier than many people's homes. So I'll keep using it on the boat.

The alarm is certified to BS EN50291-2:2010. This is a certification which extends the testing regime to ensure alarms are suitable for use in recreational vehicles and similar premises including recreational craft (my italics). For anyone who's interested, the Safelincs website has a page explaining the standards, in which it says "Holidaymakers or regular boat and caravan users now have a way of discerning at a glance which CO detectors are designed specifically to keep them safe when travelling. You should always ensure that any CO detectors purchased for use outside of a standard domestic setting conform to part two of BS EN 50291." The Fire Angel CO-9D conforms to EN50291-2. If Fire Angel would prefer it not to be used in boats (I suspect for warranty reasons in case of excessive damp) that's their choice.

See https://www.safelincs.co.uk/british-standards-for-co-alarms/
 
pvb said:
Oh, Vic, I'm not going to lose any sleep over that! It's a nice little alarm, I like the fact that it has a display showing ppm, and my boat is drier than many people's homes. So I'll keep using it on the boat.

The alarm is certified to BS EN50291-2:2010. This is a certification which extends the testing regime to ensure alarms are suitable for use in recreational vehicles and similar premises including recreational craft (my italics). For anyone who's interested, the Safelincs website has a page explaining the standards, in which it says "Holidaymakers or regular boat and caravan users now have a way of discerning at a glance which CO detectors are designed specifically to keep them safe when travelling. You should always ensure that any CO detectors purchased for use outside of a standard domestic setting conform to part two of BS EN 50291." The Fire Angel CO-9D conforms to EN50291-2. If Fire Angel would prefer it not to be used in boats (I suspect for warranty reasons in case of excessive damp) that's their choice.
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If you prefer to use an alarm which has not been tested for use in boats or is said by the manufacturer to be not suitable that's your choice.


laika said:
www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?468491-Carbon-monoxide-detectors
Posts 38 and 41 are the most relevant ones.
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That' spells it out... but it wasn't Paul rainbow who contacted Fire angel. I am sure he has been involved in some discussions about the same alarm though.
 
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If you prefer to use an alarm which has not been tested for use in boats or is said by the manufacturer to be not suitable that's your choice.
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I think I made that abundantly clear, with reasons.

And I think you're being excessively precious (unusually). The thread laika linked to included Fire Angel's response regarding the CO-9D alarm, in which they said "So although the CO-9D will work and offer protection on the boat , if there was to be an incident and the alarm didn’t react as it should , the unit wouldn’t be within the warranty realms." So, as I suggested in post 15, the alarm meets the relevant standard but Fire Angel would prefer it not to be used on boats for warranty reasons. I'm happy to keep using it.
 
pvb said:
I think I made that abundantly clear, with reasons.

And I think you're being excessively precious (unusually). The thread laika linked to included Fire Angel's response regarding the CO-9D alarm, in which they said "So although the CO-9D will work and offer protection on the boat , if there was to be an incident and the alarm didn’t react as it should , the unit wouldn’t be within the warranty realms." So, as I suggested in post 15, the alarm meets the relevant standard but Fire Angel would prefer it not to be used on boats for warranty reasons. I'm happy to keep using it.
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The reason Fire angel say it is not suitable for boats is that it has not passed the relevant certification.
Unfortunately the CO-9D is the only one of the alarms we make that hasn’t passed the relevant certification for use on boats
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I dont think I have seen any statement that is is due to dampness
 
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