Advice sought by electrical dummy with power complex problem!

Ravi

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Hi.
I am planning to have a few electrical projects on my 30' Gibsea this winter and I am hoping for some advice and suggestions. I will rely on someone suitably competent to manage and check the work but I have been trying to read up on the subject. Although I now understand that electricity is not made by angry spirits, I am still struggling to get my head around how the many possible electrical boat systems work together. But, having lived on the boat this year, at least, I think I know what I am trying to achieve.

My boat has the basic setup. 1 x Leisure + 1 x Starter battery and an (A/B/Both/Off) battery switch.

Project #1 is to fit a battery meter that will allow me to see if I am abusing the batteries, before I do them any serious damage. Fitting a 2 way battery meter is, hopefully, not beyond me. (I am used to the old analog meters but they all seem to be digital, now.)

Project #2 is to fit a small (50W or 80W) solar panel + regulator to keep the batteries topped up over the winter and save me from having to run the engine for charging. (Although my battery needs are modest, I find myself running the engine to charge the leisure battery when I am holed up for a week or two.) Although the leisure battery is the main issue, I think it makes sense to have a regulator with dual outputs so that it can keep the starter battery healthy over the winter. Does that make sense?

It occurs to me that a solar regulator must have a voltmeter, built in, and so there might be a regulator unit out there which will do for both these jobs. (Although it occurs to me that the Regulator would normally be tucked away in the battery compartment and that the meter display needs to be easily visible. Perhaps, there is a regulator with a remote display?)

So, I think that I am looking for a regulator with two inputs (in case I find room on Eris for another solar panel) + two battery outputs + a battery meter display.
If you have experience of any devices that you can recommend (or not recommend!) that does both, or either, of these jobs, that would be very helpful.

My tinkering with electrics, this winter, is likely to stop there but I wonder if this might be the time to put in a solution which also has a couple of other electrical 'nice to have' things. The 'nice to have' things include - Project #3 - A 'wired in' shore powered battery charger to use in the marina.
The thinking behind this is that the fast /constant charging from shore power would mean that I could spend my marina stays dancing to the CD player, drinking ice cold beer from the fridge under the glare of all the cabin lights. Something the limited solar charging won't allow.
Would it be possible to simultaneously charge the leisure battery from shore power and use the 12V system in this way, without damaging the battery?

I am sure that I could survive without this extra nicety, but it would make staying in the marina a bit more comfortable.
I am wary of making my "sailing" boat look like an electricity substation but if there is a gizmo that did all these things, then it would seem sensible to go the whole electronic hog - as long as it isn't disproportionately more expensive.

Is there any such thing as a device which, in addition to the two solar inputs and two battery charging outputs, also has a 240V shorepower input? Oh, and a battery meter display, as well.

Thanks in advance for any advice and tips.

Rav.
 
After a huge amount of thought I have come to the conclusion that running the engine in and out of the river is far cheaper than solar panels. My project the winter is to install the biggest leisure battery I can find, run the engine and plug into shower power from time to time.
 
After a huge amount of thought I have come to the conclusion that running the engine in and out of the river is far cheaper than solar panels. My project the winter is to install the biggest leisure battery I can find, run the engine and plug into shower power from time to time.

As a marina dweller, I find this a bracing deluge of common sense.
 
Project 1. Battery monitor is a good idea because, as you probably know, discharging them below 50% will severely shorten their life. There are many manufacturers but the NASA BM1 (or 2) seems popular and easy to fit.
Project 2. Solar power is also a good idea and will work better when you get to Greece although they produce useful charge over here too. I've just got a single semi flex 20w panel and PMW regulator on my little boat but you will need a bit more power than that to run a fridge and disco. Two outputs are necessary to charge both your batteries but as far as I know, you can put more than one panel into one set of terminals as long as you don't exceed the rating of the regulator. Most regulators have a rudimentary charge indicator but not very precise. My regulator cost £7 of an ebay supplier and it seems to work well.
Project 3. Cetec chargers seem to be popular although I've not tried one. But some other manufacturers are also good. Sterling seem to have a following too. AFAIK all allow you to draw from the battery at the same time as charging.
I have never come across one device that does it all.
By the way, I would ditch the 1-2-B switch and fit either a VSR or ignition energised relay to split the charge from your alternator to your batteries or you will sooner or later end up with two flat batteries and be unable to start the engine.
 
After a huge amount of thought I have come to the conclusion that running the engine in and out of the river is far cheaper than solar panels. My project the winter is to install the biggest leisure battery I can find, run the engine and plug into shower power from time to time.

That was my conclusion too, though the plugging in to shore power is only very occasional as we don't have a full-time supply on our home berth and I'm not the sort who automatically heads for a marina when cruising.

420amp-hours of AGM battery, the standard 115amp alternator on the D1-30 engine, and a Merlin alternator booster that gets the most out of a short engine run. Split-charging and monitoring using a Smartbank Advanced (SmartGauge driving a relay) and a 40amp mains charger for when we do visit a marina with free power close at hand.

I no longer worry about power use at all, leaving the radar on most of the way across the channel under sail in clear vis because I was occasionally practising/playing with it, letting the autopilot do most of the steering for day after day, fridge running hard enough to freeze the milk (oops), and even allowing my mate to do "movie night" in the middle of a cruise with his portable inverter, projector, and laptop. I don't think we motor more than the average yacht, but the short motor in and out of harbour most days more or less keeps up with demand, and the occasional calm passage under power tops things right up. We only plug into the mains if it's right there and free, and then more to keep the calorifier nice and hot than to charge batteries. If power costs extra or is further along a quay or there's contention for a limited number of sockets, we just don't bother as we really have no need.

Pete
 
Slight drift, but regarding #1 it's worth considering fitting something like this..

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Digital-V...05&prg=11355&rk=1&rkt=6&sd=231351205851&rt=nc

... direct to the battery terminals, if you can find somewhere to mount it. 2 benefits, you can see exactly what's going on at the battery, my bep battery meter will read a little low when there's a lot of power going or out so you can see what's being lost along the way and also as a belt and braces check. Also handy as a liveaboard to have an easily read display of volts at the battery from around the boat.
 
Project 1. Battery monitor is a good idea because, ... NASA BM1 (or 2) seems popular and easy to fit.
Project 2. Solar power is also a good idea .....
I have never come across one device that does it all.
By the way, I would ditch the 1-2-B switch and fit either a VSR or ignition energised relay to split the charge from your alternator to your batteries or you will sooner or later end up with two flat batteries and be unable to start the engine.

Ghostlymoron - Thanks for that. Someone on a separate thread has identified a dual battery solar regulator which also has a remote LED battery monitor display (http://www.sunstore.co.uk/EP-Solar-Duo-Battery-Solar-Charge-Controller-12-24v-10A.html)
This works out around the same price as the NASA Bm1 and, although its battery monitoring is less sophisticated than the NASA, it looks like a good for for my project 1 and 2. (My only reservation is whether I should be getting an MPPT controller since my panel will be partially shaded, at times.)
For project #3, I will have a look at the Cetec chargers that you mention. It looks like it will have to be a separate device. A gap in the market?

Can I ask you to elaborate on what you said about ditching the 1-2-B switch ans the risk of ending up with two flat batteries? I am pretty religious about only ever having Battery 1 active for engine starting (+ up to 1 hour motoring) and I wonder if you are saying that the new charging kit that I am introducing will introduce a new risk or just referring to the possibility of manual cockup.


After a huge amount of thought I have come to the conclusion that running the engine in and out of the river is far cheaper than solar panels.
I never needed solar power on my marina based boat in Hartlepool, but, living on board in Greece, a bit of solar would be make life easier.

Brilliant. Thanks. Pitched at just the right level for me.

Thanks all, for the help. I feel like I am, slowly, getting there.
 
One solar reg plus a *Kemo Lead Acid Battery Split Charge Module and a couple of 10Amp switches.
* http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/kemo-lead-acid-battery-split-charge-module-n73au

At £4.99, much more viable than that £1200 gizmo, which I can't afford!

But, I am almost certainly going to opt for the http://www.sunstore.co.uk/EP-Solar-D...2-24v-10A.html device (+remote LCD display). Assuming, I can get it delivered to Greece,
The other contender was a similarly priced MPPT controller which also has a remote display.
(http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12-24V-10...867585?pt=UK_Gadgets&var=&hash=item8bc6ec08c8)
The latter only charges one battery, though. Also, I am not convinced about the benefits of MPPT for my small (60-80W) installation.
 
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