guydickinson
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Does anyone have one of these? They seem fine - but I can't work out how one should attach it to the pushpit so it can be used quickly - anybody know please?!
Advice on Ocean Safety Kim Throwing Strop
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Searush
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Like this one?
It looks like it has instructions printed on it. why not e-mail the suppliers? My guess (no, I've never seen one) is that there is a light floating line in the central bag, the end of which needs to be tied to the boat (a stern cleat?). The rest of the kit should be held handy (in a bag or satchel? or using an easily released clip or hook so that it can be grabbed & thrown as a unit. I would assume that the outer loop is intended to go over MOB's head so they can be pulled to the boat.
Canoeists use similar throwing lines, often with a bit of water in the bag to help it carry when thrown. Why not simply play with it & see how it works best. That way you will be well familiar with it if (God forbid) it is ever needed in anger.
It looks like it has instructions printed on it. why not e-mail the suppliers? My guess (no, I've never seen one) is that there is a light floating line in the central bag, the end of which needs to be tied to the boat (a stern cleat?). The rest of the kit should be held handy (in a bag or satchel? or using an easily released clip or hook so that it can be grabbed & thrown as a unit. I would assume that the outer loop is intended to go over MOB's head so they can be pulled to the boat.
Canoeists use similar throwing lines, often with a bit of water in the bag to help it carry when thrown. Why not simply play with it & see how it works best. That way you will be well familiar with it if (God forbid) it is ever needed in anger.
I have one but wish I had the alternative product that everyone else buys. The problem is although it won a group product review in a Brit sailing magazine about 3 years ago the plastic buckles are crap and have no bit on the web straps.
Anyhow to answer your question, fix it with the bulk of the container hanging outboard. Fix the 3 web buckle attachments to the upper and lower horizontals on the pushpit. Then take the end of the safety line, feed it through the hole in the bottom of the bag and tie it to a permanent strong point on deck.
Finally velcro the vinyl instruction flap over the inboard buckles.
Anyhow to answer your question, fix it with the bulk of the container hanging outboard. Fix the 3 web buckle attachments to the upper and lower horizontals on the pushpit. Then take the end of the safety line, feed it through the hole in the bottom of the bag and tie it to a permanent strong point on deck.
Finally velcro the vinyl instruction flap over the inboard buckles.
guydickinson
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Thanks - yes there are loads of instructions - but nothing about stowing it! The supplier didn't really help either actually - I did ask.
guydickinson
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Thanks v much jonjo - will try that!
drawp
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I had the same problem as Jonjo. The crap strap buckles would not bite securely and were always slipping. In the end, I cut a T-shaped piece of 1 inch wood to fit snugely between the rails on the pushpit. It was attached with plastic cable ties through holes in the wood and around the rails, top and bottom. The arms of the Tee were a couple of inches deep and the upright about 5 inches wide. The top straps went around the rail and top arms of the T and the other strap went around the vertical section. The plastic cover then went over the lot. I secured the tail to a separate strong point. It has worked quite well and even doesn't look too bad.
guydickinson
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Anyone still watching this - I managed to email the makers and this is their reply - "Thank you for your web site enquiry. We find this a very common problem and you are right not to tie it on to the push pit.
We have a bracket (SAF0027 retail £9.32) that stows the normal throw line which also fits the KIM throwing strop. You can mount the bracket on the push pit. When you put the throwing strop in you need to un Velcro the strop and then place the bag in and reattached the strop over the top. This gives ease of access and can be deployed straight away.
To minimise UV degradation we suggest you fit it when you are sailing then stow it when not". So that's helpful - just a pity not made clearer initially.
We have a bracket (SAF0027 retail £9.32) that stows the normal throw line which also fits the KIM throwing strop. You can mount the bracket on the push pit. When you put the throwing strop in you need to un Velcro the strop and then place the bag in and reattached the strop over the top. This gives ease of access and can be deployed straight away.
To minimise UV degradation we suggest you fit it when you are sailing then stow it when not". So that's helpful - just a pity not made clearer initially.
webcraft
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Is Kim back?
Why is he throwing a strop? Who has upset him?
- W
Is Kim back?
Why is he throwing a strop? Who has upset him?
- W
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I had the same problem as Jonjo. The crap strap buckles would not bite securely and were always slipping.
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Relieved to hear someone else had the same problems, I have nearly lost my Kim rescue strop twice in heavy weather when waves running along the leeward rail progressively dislodged the whole container. This happened in the type of weather when I might need the device!
This episode has knocked my faith in sailing magazine group reviews. Better to walk around a marina and see what the majority buy.
I had the same problem as Jonjo. The crap strap buckles would not bite securely and were always slipping.
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Relieved to hear someone else had the same problems, I have nearly lost my Kim rescue strop twice in heavy weather when waves running along the leeward rail progressively dislodged the whole container. This happened in the type of weather when I might need the device!
This episode has knocked my faith in sailing magazine group reviews. Better to walk around a marina and see what the majority buy.
webcraft
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The crap strap buckles would not bite securely and were always slipping.
[/ QUOTE ] I am getting more and more confused by this thread. Is this the strap fitted to the heads and designed to be clenched between the teeth when straining in a seaway?
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The crap strap buckles would not bite securely and were always slipping.
[/ QUOTE ] I am getting more and more confused by this thread. Is this the strap fitted to the heads and designed to be clenched between the teeth when straining in a seaway?
- W
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We find this a very common problem and you are right not to tie it on to the push pit... We have a bracket (SAF0027 retail £9.32) that stows the normal throw line which also fits the KIM throwing strop.
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That reply further undermines my confidence in the manufacturer of the Kim strop.
First they contradict the skimpy mounting instructions supplied with the product then they try to upsell a second item to overcome mounting problems in the main product.
UV degradation is an issue as they point out, in fact I long for another 3 years to pass by which time the Kim strop will be a sticky mess that can then be thrown in the marina skip.
We find this a very common problem and you are right not to tie it on to the push pit... We have a bracket (SAF0027 retail £9.32) that stows the normal throw line which also fits the KIM throwing strop.
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That reply further undermines my confidence in the manufacturer of the Kim strop.
First they contradict the skimpy mounting instructions supplied with the product then they try to upsell a second item to overcome mounting problems in the main product.
UV degradation is an issue as they point out, in fact I long for another 3 years to pass by which time the Kim strop will be a sticky mess that can then be thrown in the marina skip.
guydickinson
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Rather agree!
webcraft
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the Kim strop will be a sticky mess
[/ QUOTE ] Is this another reference to the crap strap? I'm still confused.
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the Kim strop will be a sticky mess
[/ QUOTE ] Is this another reference to the crap strap? I'm still confused.
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rwoofer
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I confused as well, as I have had the Kim for 4 years and don't quite recognise what is being discussed. There are two very different things that need attaching to the boat. The containing bag that is attached by the strops and buckles and the actual heaving line itself.
The attaching strops and buckles are not great, but they are entirely independant of the operation of the KIM - they're just for the storage. The heaving line attachment is a webbing strop that loops back on itself to attach and looks pretty secure to me.
The attaching strops and buckles are not great, but they are entirely independant of the operation of the KIM - they're just for the storage. The heaving line attachment is a webbing strop that loops back on itself to attach and looks pretty secure to me.
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The attaching strops and buckles are not great, but they are entirely independant of the operation of the KIM - they're just for the storage.
[/ QUOTE ]True, but these poor buckles create a risk of container bag going overboard in the type of weather where a MOB event is a genuine risk. The last thing a crew needs is to have to retrieve a semi detached Kim container bag before focussing on the human casualty in the water.
The attaching strops and buckles are not great, but they are entirely independant of the operation of the KIM - they're just for the storage.
[/ QUOTE ]True, but these poor buckles create a risk of container bag going overboard in the type of weather where a MOB event is a genuine risk. The last thing a crew needs is to have to retrieve a semi detached Kim container bag before focussing on the human casualty in the water.
Motivated perhaps by a self loathing for its own poor design, my Kim MOB recovery strop container made another bid for freedom when it tried to detach itself from the pushpit, while I navigated through the Portland Race a few weeks ago in a manor not prescribed in the pilot guides.
This YBW.com thread prompted me to examine the internals of the KIM strop again and I have to confess it is quite well made, ignoring for a moment the mounting problem.
Guy I have a long standing boat to-do item titled "stitch fickle Kim permanently onto the pushpit". Following the recent purchase of a sailor’s leather needle palm I plan to lock the Kim container mounting straps permanently into position using needle and thread.
This YBW.com thread prompted me to examine the internals of the KIM strop again and I have to confess it is quite well made, ignoring for a moment the mounting problem.
Guy I have a long standing boat to-do item titled "stitch fickle Kim permanently onto the pushpit". Following the recent purchase of a sailor’s leather needle palm I plan to lock the Kim container mounting straps permanently into position using needle and thread.