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Abusive Broker Jeroen Korthuis Astra Mare Yachtbrokers
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clyst
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Brokers are paid to obtain the best price for the vendor's boat I dont think they are contracted to submit a low offer .
@#$% boats
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No.
I think brokers are there to list the boat and broker a deal. As a seller I expect a broker to submit all offers to me unless I instruct otherwise. The broker does not know the financial situation of the owner. The owner may be in a bad position and the broker is making life decisions for them. That is wrong.
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I think brokers are there to list the boat and broker a deal. As a seller I expect a broker to submit all offers to me unless I instruct otherwise. The broker does not know the financial situation of the owner. The owner may be in a bad position and the broker is making life decisions for them. That is wrong.
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Twister_Ken
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Or the vendor may have said "I'm not selling for less than €x, so don't waste my time with people offering less than that."
fireball
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Eitherway - no point being abusive ? Or giving opinion on a website ?
Seems a bit odd to me .. perhaps there is another side to the story?
Seems a bit odd to me .. perhaps there is another side to the story?
Gwylan
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Stereotype
He's a Dutchman and a yacht broker what do you expect?
They are all just Scottish estate agents with their generosity and charm removed.
Business is not that good and there are plenty of boats for sale.
He's a Dutchman and a yacht broker what do you expect?
They are all just Scottish estate agents with their generosity and charm removed.
Business is not that good and there are plenty of boats for sale.
Capt Popeye
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why get your 'knickers in a twist' over either the Broker or the Vessel?
your money, just go else where !
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I agree. Thats why I asked if this is normal for jreoen. It was a crazy reaction.
I would post the conversation but It may run into legal issues.
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onesea
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why get your 'knickers in a twist' over either the Broker or the Vessel?
your money, just go else where !
I would guess cause he has spent the time and effort to research a boat enough to put an offer in. If he has been to see it there is the lost cost as well.
If he has not maybe the broker sees him as time waster, then I have put an offer on a boat I have not seen... I had seen sistership and was going to send surveyor first as the costs of viewing where more than surveyors bill!
When looking for our boat we wasted brokers time. We bought from one in the end, so some one some where made there money. Is that not the nature of the industry...
jwilson
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You should not. Under normal circumstances brokers should communicate all offers to the owner, unless they have specific instructions not to do so unless over a set amount. My response as a broker to an offer that is so low I am totally sure it will not be accepted is to tell the buyer that I am pretty certain that the owner will not take it, but that I will pass it on, and I do, along the lines of "I've had a silly offer of X - I'm planning to say it's too low". From the broker's point of view it at least tells the owner that someone has been looking at the boat, and initiates a conversation about why these low offers are coming in - what the market is like and will it support the current asking price - is the boat in need of a clean - etc.
aluijten
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I love it I had similar experiences with another yacht broker in the Lowlands. I wonder what moves these guys.
Even if the offer is ridiculously low one could always say it's below the threshold agreed with the seller to communicate towards the seller.
I can only guess the broker is bored had nothing better to do. Disgraceful!
Brokerage in Holland is really slow at present and they should be happy with any interest from potential customers.
You may try to contact the owner directly to inform him of the selling technique of his broker. That's what I did in the end.
Cheers,
Arno
davidej
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I can't see how you would do this, except in exceptional circumstances where you happened to know who owned the boat and how to contact them.
tomdmx
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Well such brokers do also exist in the UK...my fairly recent experience when trying to purchase a yacht through a broker from a well know online brokerage on the south coast division was rather negative...the way the broker described the yacht to me etc plus his attitude towards it and general lack of comms was sad...in summary he was too busy boasting how many big and expensive yachts he sold or is selling etc (so you get the picture)...I only wish I knew the owner so that I could tell him what a 'great' job his broker is doing...
On the other hand I must say that a broker from the same well known online brokerage in the north east was excellent..even though I was buying a cheap yacht he still committed his time and was available to answer any questions at all times etc...a world apart really and I would be happy for him to sell my boat in the future as despite the low commission that he was potentially getting (it was a cheap yacht )and my constant emails, calls etc he was always helpful and responsive..
On the other hand I must say that a broker from the same well known online brokerage in the north east was excellent..even though I was buying a cheap yacht he still committed his time and was available to answer any questions at all times etc...a world apart really and I would be happy for him to sell my boat in the future as despite the low commission that he was potentially getting (it was a cheap yacht
)and my constant emails, calls etc he was always helpful and responsive..
Koeketiene
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Much truth in that.
We bought Guapa in Holland through a Dutch broker.
When we viewed her, we also spent some time chatting to the owners who happened to be there at the time.
After a week we submitted an offer to the broker.
He considered it too low (83% of asking price) and said he wouldn't be passing it on.
As it happened, we had exchanged details with the owners when we met, so I passed our offer on directly to the owners.
Offer was accepted by the owners.
Survey and seatrail arranged.
Both myself, owner and broker were on-site for the survey.
At this point broker takes owner apart and says he's got another higher offer - that bidder also 'happened' to be there.
Both broker and other potential buyer start laying into owner to accept higher offer. In the end, asking price was on the table.
Owner held firm, and said he had agreed to sell to us and he would keep his word.
Broker: Mr xxxxx, why are you being so unreasonable?
Owner: Two reasons 1. I am a man of my word 2. I'd rather not sell to a Dutchman (owner was Belgian).
Previous owner still gets a card at X-Mas.
SailorBill
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Our experiences of dealing with brokers has not been good. In fact I'd say it's been significantly worse than dealing with estate agents. Enough said.
aluijten
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Internet goes a long way these days....
duncan99210
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Whilst we bought Rampage through a broker, when time comes to sell we'll be doing it ourselves via the internet. Whilst we didn't have a bad experiance with the broker, I don't think that they do much to earn their comission. As for a broker being abusive, that's well out of order and should wind up with hime getting little business. It is, after all, a buyers market just now.
Wandering Star
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First impressions and all that but choosing a user name starting with a jumble of characters presumably intended to signify an expletive and then seeking sympathy or advice from a forum who know diddly squat about the OP because he's rarely posted on these forums before, would make me cautious about offering advice.
There are always two sides to every argument and I'd be cautious to offer an opinion in this case without hearing the other side of the argument. Sometimes people with an attitude problem can put peoples backs up! Not saying this is what's happened but I'd love to hear the other sides story.
Cheers, Brian.
There are always two sides to every argument and I'd be cautious to offer an opinion in this case without hearing the other side of the argument. Sometimes people with an attitude problem can put peoples backs up! Not saying this is what's happened but I'd love to hear the other sides story.
Cheers, Brian.
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PCUK
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I cannot speak more highly of Jeroen. One of the best brokers I have ever dealt with. I think things get lost in the translation on occasions. I would wholeheartedly recommend Astra Mare to all sellers.
oldgit
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All my contacts with Dutch brokers was one of politeness,courtesy and a standard of english lacking in many UK brokers.
