aahhhhhh... injector pipe cracked...

I had similar a few years ago. I took the failed pipe to Poole Diesel who made a perfect copy. I thought about renewing all the pipes, but their view was that a holed injection pipe is an occasional failure, but is less likely to affect the neighbouring tubes.

As a precaution I had a spare tube made with the comes end bend onto the injector, but the rest left straight, so in an emergency I could bend it to suit the offending pipe run. Never needed it.

Any good injection specialist should be able to make an identical pipe.
 
IF YOUR RUNNING A FORD, then get round the breakers yard and get a full set, £10 should cover it. While your at it get a ring spanner with a gap in it, not sure what they call them.
 
Pipe Spanner is what ive always known them as.

When fitting pipes make sure they line up easy as forcing them to align causes stress and vastly increases chance of failure.

Finally if clips are fitted as standard makes sure they go back on.
 
omega2 said:
IF YOUR RUNNING A FORD, then get round the breakers yard and get a full set, £10 should cover it. While your at it get a ring spanner with a gap in it, not sure what they call them.
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Omega,

How long ago did you last go to a truck breaker for Ford stuff??

I have a friend who has a pair of Dorset 180s who wants me to help him reduce start up smoke. Suggested he turns motors into hybrid Dover/Dorsets which will help some, so he has been scouring country for pair of Dover motors, to date responses from breakers have been close to ridicule.

Rob,

Go careful, some high rated Sabre motors did not use standard Ford injector pipes, they had their own made up with different internal bore in effort to increase injection pressure. I think special pipes were made up by Giro Engineering in Southampton. Do not assume your motors have standard Ford automotive pipes.

Talk to Hendy Lennox in Southampton, they still have some guys around who understand the old Ford Sabre stuff, you may be lucky and be able to use Otosan Ford stuff, but they will know.

The spanners.......Always referred to them as flare nut wrenches.
 
thanks for that.
i checked with a sabre specialist, who may have a set in.
they were not standard ford items from 250 rating upwards.
he is having a check this morning on stock....

fingers crossed...
 
Omega,

How long ago did you last go to a truck breaker for Ford stuff??

I have a friend who has a pair of Dorset 180s who wants me to help him reduce start up smoke. Suggested he turns motors into hybrid Dover/Dorsets which will help some, so he has been scouring country for pair of Dover motors, to date responses from breakers have been close to ridicule.

Must have been lucky when we went to a yard in Dagenham cannot recall the name, PS iF YOU ARE ABLE TO CURE smoke on start up please let me know how you manage that?? Mermaid and Sabre could guarantee a cure,even if we had spent £4000 on our engines.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-carg...CommercialVehicleParts_SM&hash=item1c130af758

New ones here.
 
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I had a pipe come ever so slightly loose about 2 years ago. I was amazed at how much diesel such a small leak ( under pressure) could end up leaking into the bilge etc. I assume the bilge pump knocked out some of it as we recovered about 10 lt from memory but the tank imbalance was about 35 lts.
 
omega2 said:
Omega,

How long ago did you last go to a truck breaker for Ford stuff??

I have a friend who has a pair of Dorset 180s who wants me to help him reduce start up smoke. Suggested he turns motors into hybrid Dover/Dorsets which will help some, so he has been scouring country for pair of Dover motors, to date responses from breakers have been close to ridicule.

Must have been lucky when we went to a yard in Dagenham cannot recall the name, PS iF YOU ARE ABLE TO CURE smoke on start up please let me know how you manage that?? Mermaid and Sabre could guarantee a cure,even if we had spent £4000 on our engines.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-carg...CommercialVehicleParts_SM&hash=item1c130af758

New ones here.
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When we launched the Dover field trials in Germany revealed that we had lube oil consumption issues with the liners due to revised honing liner process. Very few parts are common between Dorset and Dover including the liner, so in order to keep production going we built a hybrid motor using Dorset block and liners with the rest Dover, gave the parts people fits but did the job. Smart guys at Sabre picked up on what we were doing and realised that by using Dover rods in a Dorset block you could use higher compression Dover pistons which dramatically reduce white smoke. I see no reason why Otosan Ford Dovertech pistons should not fit, further improving the situation. Dorset pistons are about £300 each, Dover half that price, but Dover rods are hard to come by, hence looking for complete motors to strip.

Up until 1998 there was thriving export market in Turkey for used Ford truck stuff, however imports were prohibited to protect Turkish Ford truck producton. Once the export market had dried up breakers were simply weighing motors in for scrap. Speaking to breakers now, Ford Dovers are now just a memory and there is no point cluttering up the yard with old engines which have no market, they only want Mercedes, Scania and Volvo engines pretty much in that order.

I note that Ford Dover motors rarely come up on Ebay.........
 
Latestarter1 said:
When we launched the Dover field trials in Germany revealed that we had lube oil consumption issues with the liners due to revised honing liner process. Very few parts are common between Dorset and Dover including the liner, so in order to keep production going we built a hybrid motor using Dorset block and liners with the rest Dover, gave the parts people fits but did the job. Smart guys at Sabre picked up on what we were doing and realised that by using Dover rods in a Dorset block you could use higher compression Dover pistons which dramatically reduce white smoke. I see no reason why Otosan Ford Dovertech pistons should not fit, further improving the situation. Dorset pistons are about £300 each, Dover half that price, but Dover rods are hard to come by, hence looking for complete motors to strip.

Up until 1998 there was thriving export market in Turkey for used Ford truck stuff, however imports were prohibited to protect Turkish Ford truck producton. Once the export market had dried up breakers were simply weighing motors in for scrap. Speaking to breakers now, Ford Dovers are now just a memory and there is no point cluttering up the yard with old engines which have no market, they only want Mercedes, Scania and Volvo engines pretty much in that order.

I note that Ford Dover motors rarely come up on Ebay.........
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cheaper option, single up mooring lines, start engines and GO. Once under load not too bad and when warm no smoke. Thats what we find anyway, ours are 1973 vintage 180's
 
Latestarter - some of your info is incorrect. Quite a few parts are interchangeable between dorset & dover engines, and the marine hybrid engine was dover block (which gave better coolant circulation) with dorset head, not the other way around. Dover rods enable use of higher compression dover pistons??? A range of compression ratios was available for dorset motors, from 16:1 down to around 13:1 for racing. These engines smoke badly with the standard 15.7:1 turbo pistons - you suggesting you go higher on a 15psi boost? You'll have the world's supply of head gaskets used up. Con-rods are the same anyway - except for a choice of lengths in .003" increments.
 
the colonel said:
Latestarter - some of your info is incorrect. Quite a few parts are interchangeable between dorset & dover engines, and the marine hybrid engine was dover block (which gave better coolant circulation) with dorset head, not the other way around. Dover rods enable use of higher compression dover pistons??? A range of compression ratios was available for dorset motors, from 16:1 down to around 13:1 for racing. These engines smoke badly with the standard 15.7:1 turbo pistons - you suggesting you go higher on a 15psi boost? You'll have the world's supply of head gaskets used up. Con-rods are the same anyway - except for a choice of lengths in .003" increments.
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...pulling up a chair.. this should get interesting.
 
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