Aaargh; another "wot yot" post

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Aaargh; another \"wot yot\" post

Let us suppose - purely theoretically you understand - that I am contemplating defecting from power to sail, having convinced my family that sailing in the Solent will be as idyllic and carefree as the Aegean.

I'd be interested to hear people's views on what I should be looking for. My needs/wants are as follows:

About 28 foot; accommodation for 4 (double cabin plus saloon bunks acceptable; two double cabins nice, but unlikely, I guess). We don't require huge luxury or neccessarily a floating caravan, but a step up from our current, very spartan mobo would be nice;
Reasonably modern (<5 years old); I don't have the skills to keep an ageing wreck in commission;
Masthead sloop rig;
Cruiser with reasonable performance, rather than racer;
Mostly coastal cruising (Solent/Southwest) but would want to feel confident enough to have a crack at Cherbourg, given reasonable weather;
Nice, reliable diesel to get you home.

What I don't want:

A catamaran. I know all the arguments but they don't do it for me, and Mrs jhr is unfazed by the boat leaning over;
Anything bigger than 28 feet. I just can't afford the running and mooring costs of anything larger;
Anything that won't steer going backwards. So that's Twisters off the list, then /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif.

I am unembarrassed by being seen in an AWB (after all, I'm currently a mobo owner) but also love the look of some of the modern trad boats like Cornish crabbers.

I am deliberately keeping budget out of it at the moment, because I want to look at all the options - still purely theoretically you understand - and then decide to what extent I would need to abase myself in front of my bank manager, were we to make the change.

TIA.
 
Re: Aaargh; another \"wot yot\" post

I know you said <5yo but I'd have a serious look at a Sadler 29 if it were me
 
Re: Aaargh; another \"wot yot\" post

Trouble with a Sadler 29 is it's a proper sailing boat shape, which might make it seem pretty small in the cockpit and down below to someone used to motorboating.

I would have thought that a modern design of AWB would fit the bill far better. As I know nothing about boats <5yrs old I can't offer any positive advice though.
 
Re: Aaargh; another \"wot yot\" post

While I agree with Jimi that the Sadler is a great boat, I tend to think you are right Bill...... it is quite small down below compared to a modern AWB...

My list would include the smaller Jen/Ben/Bav range and perhaps the smaller Legend...

Jhr's spec list has 'cruiser' written all over it, and many of the boats in the size range he indicates are amazingly spacious below, and some even do have the twin aft cabins as an option....

Perhaps stretching to 30' might be a good idea though, as then the whole range of 30' AWBs comes into play, and there are hundreds of them on the market....
 
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Trouble with a Sadler 29 is it's a proper sailing boat shape, which might make it seem pretty small in the cockpit and down below to someone used to motorboating.

[/ QUOTE ] I swing both ways - sail and power. Our current mobo is 22ft long with a tiny cuddy cabin, bucket-and-chuck-it loo, pressurised water (cold only) and the kids sleep under a camper canvas in the cockpit. The only way is up! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Keep 'em coming. Maybe <10 years old rather than <5.
 
Re: Aaargh; another \"wot yot\" post

You might want to forget the Sadler 29, but don't overlook the recent Sadler 290 if you can find one used.

It's a minority taste, but there's also the Parker 275 - cracking boat.

And there's the Crabber's big bro - the Pilot Cutter.
 
Re: Aaargh; another \"wot yot\" post

Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 29? (yes, I know it's above 28', but like all accountants I round down... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif)

We know a couple of very happy owners of one, who have taken her round from the East Coast to the Solent, and across to Belgium - so the potential is there.
 
Re: Aaargh; another \"wot yot\" post

You could try a Beneteau First 27.7. Should sail nicely and has 4 berths and an inboard diesel (I think). There used to be a Beneteau Oceanis of around 28 ft. but that seems to have been discontinued although 2nd hand you should be able to find some.
Whatever you choose make sure you have a trial sail first.
 
Re: Aaargh; another \"wot yot\" post

Actually James, the boat you need must not exceed 29.754 feet, as this is 9 metres, and that is the measure by which the Usurers extract the mooring fees......
They *may* allow you 30 feet if they are feeling generous.

I must say that someone round here has an X302 for sale, that would be fun, or an older Bavaria 30.

Of course, and here I am biased, I think you should telephone forumite Robyn, as he will give you a cracking deal on a Malbec 290, which is open plan accomodation, and fast. Having sailed the smaller 240 in a blow, it comes highly recommended. And (ridiculously) cheap.
 
Re: Aaargh; another \"wot yot\" post

A friend of mine is selling a Jeanneau Arcadia, nothing to do with me or my brokerage...

£20k or there about

Forepeak, aft cabin, heads, good headroom and lift keel. 30 Feet long.

Yanmar Diesel run on road fuel, so much healthier for it /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

PM me if you think you may be interested /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
For something a little different...

I got quite close to buying a RedFox Vision last year (but ended up buying a Comanche catamaran).

The RedFox Vision is: fast, small, well built, could be towed, will dry out happily and is amazingly roomy.

PBO, YM and ST were all very impressed, too.
 
Re: Aaargh; another \"wot yot\" post

i appreciate it`s older than your spec but have you considered a moody 28 ? seems to tick the other boxes.
 
Re: Aaargh; another \"wot yot\" post

With those requirements I'd have a serious look at a Delphia 29 - Here - they seem to be excellent value for money, and have a lift keel for a bit of mud cruising around the Solent, and a really cunning drop mast system which, if you get over to Cherbourg and beyond could open up the French Canals for you really cheaply.

I've had a look at them at boatshows and they seem to be quite well built. Worth a thought perhaps. No connection!
 
Yet another idea

If you want some good British engineering, try the Sadler 290

The two test reports I've read (PBO and ST) both seem to think it's the mutts' nuts.

Not cheap tho', and probably an 18 month waiting list.
 
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