A small Scottish incident with a noisy marina neighbor - what would you have done?

[Heckler]

Just like Question Time :encouragement:

Si!

 

[jonjo]

And I know your online persona well enough to detect that you have taken exception to having your mostly unsupportable response challenged in an entirely reasonable manner and would now like to withdraw from further discussion but want to leave the impression that I in some way secretly agree with you...:encouragement:

It's your online reputation at stake. L'Escargot, the bloke who chooses to align himself with those who return from an evening out and then broadcast their music across the marina. As to the assertion that I am only fit for life in isolated anchorages, my ears are still ringing from Queen's 2 hours at the Isle of Wight festival. A 100 feet from the stage shakes one's internal organs.

 

[johnalison]

Isn't it amazing how blissful the right piece of music is at the right time...and how momentously unwelcome someone else's favourite music usually is, at any other time...

But in a peaceful anchorage or amongst moorings, or close-packed in a marina, never will be the right time. It is pure social imbecility.

It isn't just the music that is so unwelcome, offensive though the out of tune wailing of some eunuch may be, but it is the thump thump thump of the modern pop music beat that is impossible to ignore. In Europe we sometimes are afflicted with a sort of crooning drivel, but at least one can continue to think while it is going on. The young have now been attuned to the sound of pop played loudly, I suppose in the same way that my generation has become inured to the noise of motor traffic, but the difference is that motor vehicles fulfil some purpose.

 

[l'escargot]

It's your online reputation at stake. L'Escargot, the bloke who chooses to align himself with those who return from an evening out and then broadcast their music across the marina. As to the assertion that I am only fit for life in isolated anchorages, my ears are still ringing from Queen's 2 hours at the Isle of Wight festival. A 100 feet from the stage shakes one's internal organs.

I sat in my kitchen listening to the festival and didn't complain once about you out there broadcasting your music across the river for the last 4 days and nights. As I said,sometimes you have to put up with the noise of other people enjoying themselves, then they can't complain about you - next time you hear Queen blasting across the marina late in the evening, don't complain, it might be me having my turn...:encouragement:

 

[GrahamM376]

Nine times out of ten I'd have asked them to turn it down but what would you have done?

It would have to be very noisy and very late, after midnight, before I would ask anyone to turn it down. Live and let live, it's your problem if you have young children on board, not theirs. Suggest you avoid Spain and other "foreign" locations where shore side very loud noise starts around 10pm and continues until past dawn.

 

[jonjo]

I sat in my kitchen listening to the festival and didn't complain once about you out there broadcasting your music across the river for the last 4 days and nights.

No doubt you were thinking 50,000 people x £200 a ticket = nice big discount on my local Rates.

 

[dom]

No doubt you were thinking 50,000 people x £200 a ticket = nice big discount on my local Rates.

You're not per chance John Deacon are you

 

[jonjo]

You're not per chance John Deacon are you

Would I be sailing a Bavaria with £65 million in the bank.

 

[corbu]

Graham, was it you in portavadie by any chance? I made the mistake last year of staying overnight at gemelier island in Turkey when all the party boats rocked up. Incredibly loud but we still found it amusing, our mistake and par for the course. I found it an all together different situation when four/ five guys think it's acceptable to hit full volume on a full on club style sound system whilst screaming at the tops of their voices for hours on end in an otherwise very peaceful place. Especially with a diabolical hits of the 80's soundtrack. To me it is complete arrogance to make that much noise and to hell with everyone else. Young children on board or not for us. Different contexts/different behaviour? Cheers, Shaun.

 

[Heckler]

It would have to be very noisy and very late, after midnight, before I would ask anyone to turn it down. Live and let live, it's your problem if you have young children on board, not theirs. Suggest you avoid Spain and other "foreign" locations where shore side very loud noise starts around 10pm and continues until past dawn.

Tell me about it! As we followed the sea festivals down the Portuguese coast! Starting at Figuera da Foz, Nazarre, CasCais etc etc!
Stu

 

[l'escargot]

No doubt you were thinking 50,000 people x £200 a ticket = nice big discount on my local Rates.

Not at all. None of that money comes into the island. Apart from a few local taxi drivers perhaps, all the money goes off the island - all the transport, ferry, hovercraft, bus and train, all the suppliers at the festival, supermarkets, even the pub chains are mainland owned. The festival actually costs the island money in terms of lost revenue - my local rates contribute to the festival and probably help keep the price of your ticket down...

That's like saying the Southampton Boatshow must give the people of Southampton a nice big discount on their rates...

 

[Lucky Duck]

They do get free tickets though...

 

[l'escargot]

They do get free tickets though...

He's even tight with those, a few dozen houses that actually back onto the rec which is fenced off for the festival - I'm not one - he tried to get the picnic site across the river and the river itself closed off some years ago calls it "Freeloaders Bay"...

Attendance drops year on year, he was trying to sell it off a few years ago. I think it's days are numbered.

 

[jonjo]

None of that money comes into the island. Apart from a few local taxi drivers perhaps, all the money goes off the island - all the transport, ferry, hovercraft, bus and train, all the suppliers at the festival, supermarkets, even the pub chains are mainland owned. The festival actually costs the island money in terms of lost revenue - my local rates contribute to the festival and probably help keep the price of your ticket down...

This must rank as one of your most absurd posts on the forum, even the Isle of Wight council estimates the local economic benefit as £10 to 15 million.

According to the council, the Isle of Wight Festival is estimated to bring between £10m and £15m to the island's economy.
Councillor George Brown, cabinet member for the economy and licensing, said: "This year's problems should not be used to undermine or compromise an event that is so important to the Island, its economy, its profile and to a great many of its residents. The festival puts many millions into the island's economy each year."

Source BBC.

 

[TOKOLOSHI]

JD

As a piper (who's currently practising for competition season) I shall make sure that I serenade you if we bump into each other this summer. I'll feed you half a bottle of whisky first so you'll hardly feel a thing ;-)

Good God man! what do you intend to do to him?

 

[jonjo]

Attendance drops year on year, he was trying to sell it off a few years ago. I think it's days are numbered.

More nonsense, after a steady climb from 8,000 in 2002 since 2007 numbers have settled in the 50 to 65 thousand range and firmed up at 58k recently which is the council licenced limit I think.

 

[l'escargot]

This must rank as one of your most absurd posts on the forum, even the Isle of Wight council estimates the local economic benefit as £10 to 15 million.


Source BBC.

The IW council is known to be deluded - they measure the money paid into the businesses I listed such as the ferries, pubs, supermarkets etc all of which are national , non IW, companies. What do you think are the businesses taking this £10m?

 

[l'escargot]

More nonsense, after a steady climb from 8,000 in 2002 since 2007 numbers have settled in the 50 to 65 thousand range and firmed up at 58k recently which is the council licenced limit I think.

The limit was raised to 90,000 about three years ago and the year the limit was raised he sold less than the year before. Prior to that sales were in the 70,000s. As you say, sales have settled in the 50,000s. It is slowly becoming financially unviable. He has been trying to sell one of the camping fields he bought for some years as he doesn't need it anymore.

 

[jonjo]

The IW council is known to be deluded - they measure the money paid into the businesses I listed such as the ferries, pubs, supermarkets etc all of which are national , non IW, companies. What do you think are the businesses taking this £10m?

My estimate of gross revenue is £20 to 30 million and I was doing it on the cheap. Island Harbour marina charge £450 to £550 for a 4 night stay. Are you seriously suggesting that the net benefit to the Island is a bumper weekend for a few taxi drivers!

 

[l'escargot]

My estimate of gross revenue is £20 to 30 million and I was doing it on the cheap. Island Harbour marina charge £450 to £550 for a 4 night stay. Are you seriously suggesting that the net benefit to the Island is a bumper weekend for a few taxi drivers!

So, as I asked, who do you think all these businesses are taking the money then and guess whether Island Harbour is IW owned? And that gross revenue is paid out to acts and the festival organisers, transporters etc all of which are non IW - even the portaloos are bought over from the mainland! Most festival goers don't even leave the site these days, years ago you would see all the shops stocked up with stuff to sell them, not anymore - Newport turns into a virtual ghost town over festival weekend. I sat in one of the busiest pubs in Newport on Friday night where usually every table is booked from about 6.30 onwards - there were 2 other tables occupied. Work out the cost of business lost from people who don't spend because the festival is on.